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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Without a 5-4 ruling to give the 2000 election to Bush, which gave us Roberts and Alito,
    you'd be decrying this 6-3 vote against Hobby Lobby.




    Make no mistake--the ruling is a bastardization of the 1st amendment.
    It's about religious groups forcing their will on others, the reason why we left the King of England .
    Yes, God forbid that someone with their own money invested in their own business decide what insurance to offer their employees and of course those employees had a gun held to their head to take those jobs. You people have no problem spending someone else's money. Interesting as to why you don't start your own business and see how easy it is being the last one paid with the funds left over. I have yet to see a business with a money tree in their back yard or a legal printing press in their basement. They have to do something liberals like you don't seem to understand, earn what they have to spend on federally mandated programs. If they don't earn the money they go out of business. If the govt. needs more money they print it. What a great govt. we have today

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Liberals want more corporations with a moral conscience. But only a liberal baby killing moral conscience.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not going to lie...I'm a conservative and think it's funny as hell how twisted people are over this. As an employer the Hobby Lobby is a progressives wet ****ing dream. They paid $6 an hour over minimum wage and provided health care with 16 different forms of contraception authorized. They were the model of what leftists believed business should be. Let them choose to not cover an abortion pill and watch the left lose their ****ing minds. Hell yes...it's kinda hilarious.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    WHAT "liberal support" for criminalization of "hate speech"? Can you provide ANY evidence that a significant number of liberals support that?
    I'll just refer you to any number of threads here at DP that deal with political correctness issues. But I will amend my remarks to be "In my Opinion", the left rarely ever protests government involvement or investigation of so-called hate speech if it is directed at a minority.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Liberals want more corporations with a moral conscience. But only a liberal baby killing moral conscience.
    Don't you know that liberals are all God like, knowing what is right or wrong, knowing what is best for everyone else, and have no problem spending someone else's money? A living fetus isn't a baby in the liberal world thus there isn't anything to save. That sonogram really is nothing more than a trumped up conservative machine projecting a false image therefore when a woman kills that fetus it really isn't murder, just selfishness run amuk.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I need not take irrationality seriously.
    It's not irrational. It's a recognition of a very skewed standard.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I'll just refer you to any number of threads here at DP that deal with political correctness issues. But I will amend my remarks to be "In my Opinion", the left rarely ever protests government involvement or investigation of so-called hate speech if it is directed at a minority.
    You want a thread to max out talk about Same sex marriage or birth control. You are right all political correct issues regarding social responsibility and who has that responsibility.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is it's not the end of the world, but every dang thing Obama does is the end of the country as we know it. I don't know why because it's sure as heck not related to actual policy changes. Goodness, our seniors have a government mandated, shoved down their throat, single payer one size fits all government healthcare system and they LOVE it. The five most free economies on the planet have FAR higher regulations on healthcare than we do, and their world isn't ending either. The sky is falling, "THERE'S A WOLF!!!" rhetoric just gets tiring, and I tune it out.
    Well that is certainly one way to deflect from an issue important to a lot of us and Obamacare is definitely seen as a serious issue important to a lot of us. Just say that we do that about everything or go to extreme hyperbole that was never expressed. And you know what? The USA was once the nation other nations envied and hoped to emulate. We had the finest schools, the finest healthcare system, the most free, the most innovative, most productive, and most prosperous people in the world when we did things the way we thought they should be. So why in the world do some think we should look to others and do it their way and become like them instead of being the trend setter that we once were?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not irrational. It's a recognition of a very skewed standard.
    Vive la difference!
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you think with the brain God gave you or simply the heart? Where does personal responsibility rest in your world? People have no problem buying the things they want but when it comes to the things they need it is someone else's responsibility to buy those.

    Those so called poor people in this country still have color TV's, cell phones, pagers, air conditioning, many have computers and now can live off the taxpayers for 2 years with unemployment benefits. Quite frankly I am getting sick and tired of the entitlement mentality you and others exert here and total lack of understanding of personal responsibility. You don't seem to get it, business is not in business to employ you or anyone else nor to provide you with whatever wage you need to live on. You like me when I started out need to adjust your living expenses to the wages you are paid and not demand more simply because you want something else to buy.

    You don't seem to have any problem with someone else paying for that which you think you need. Pretty simple, you don't want to buy your contraceptives, don't have sex or live with the consequences if you choose to have sex.

    You always broad brush everything, any idea how many people actually make the federal minimum wage and who those people are? Don't you think you should find out before spouting your opinions?
    You give yourself away a bit when you refer to a broad class of people as the "so called" poor. Are they not 'really' poor unless they're living in a cardboard house, bathing in the river, and have kids with swollen bellies from starvation and malnutrition like you see in the REALLY poor countries? Give me a break.

    And I don't know what you expect from the so-called poor. It's not like we have an economy with lots of good paying jobs that no one will fill. These people you're all but spitting on will line up by the thousands for every decent job that opens up. Read the news about a plant opening - is there a shortage of people willing to work for a decent wage? Here's the first story where I could get numbers - 30,000 apply for 2,000 jobs. Those jobs just don't exist, we lost about 5 million of them last decades, and replaced them with crap service jobs with low pay.

    So I'm just not sure what you expect. That we adopt the expectations of the third world for the ACTUAL poor and anyone who isn't living at the brink of subsistence has it lucky?

    BTW, as to the consequences, we ALL live with the consequences. 1.2 million abortions, lots of dysfunctional parents raising troubled kids that are multiples more likely to get into trouble, etc. But, keep scolding people, I'm sure that will work out eventually.

    And if you want to make a point about minimum wage, I'll listen, but I hope you're not going to just quote those at the very bottom because that's a pretty incomplete picture of the labor situation. I know we've got approaching 50 million poor enough to qualify for food stamps, so that's a fairly good indication of the number of Americans barely getting by, and with real unemployment topping out over 10%, it's not like you can tell them all to just GET A JOB! and that would work because the jobs do not exist.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Got it, that is why Obama's JAR is so great and why healthcare is so highly supported. This country has over 312 million people in 50 sovereign states. You want a one size fits all program for all those states? does it cost as much in Tenn as it does in Illinois to live and for healthcare? Healthcare is not only an individual responsibility but it varies by state in terms of costs. One size fits all sounds great but all it does is give bureaucrats more money and power. Doesn't seem to bother you as long is it is perceived as spending in the name of compassion. Tell me, where are those compassionate results?
    Fact is if right wingers in red states would get off their lazy rear ends, they could design a program that isn't the ACA because the ACA allows them to experiment, but they'd rather whine and moan about what someone else came up with than do the hard work of actually solving a problem like healthcare. Same thing on the national level. GOPers have sat around forever and done nothing but first kill HillaryCare then whined and obstructed Obamacare.

    And the ACA reflects a lot of those differences. Rates where i live are fairly cheap because I'm in the healthcare center for the region, and the cost of living is low, so California or NYC is much higher. It's got private insurers and while they do have to offer a fairly big basket of 'essentials' they can and do vary quite a bit with regard to everything else. Rates have a huge range in my area from Copper to Platinum and even within those bands. You're claiming a system exists that really doesn't - it's just not the end of the world. KY is a red state and they really like Obamacare so long as it's called Kynect!

    The bottom line I always tell my right wing friends is talk is dang cheap. You all don't like obamacare, great, I don't either. So why does an entire movement seem incapable of getting off their dang lazy butts and actually do some work and propose something better, put it in a bill with details, get it passed and paid for with taxes or spending cuts, and we'll see the wonderful, glorious, right wing solution? How long do we need to wait? Another 50 years?

    Our Seniors are being screwed by Medicare. I turned 65 three years ago and went from private insurance to Medicare. You are in for quite a surprise, an unpleasant one, when you turn 65. Another liberal utopian program that is not only bankrupt, but poorly managed, poorly administered, and one that short changes liberals. You have no idea what you are talking about.
    You're in the small minority, then, because Medicare is still a third rail of politics with very high approval ratings. My mom and mother in law have it, and I'm quite involved in their healthcare and I haven't run into any issues. They get good doctors, have access to any hospital they want, etc. If you want to be specific, then you can do that. We need to cut costs, but anymore whenever someone mentions cost cutting the right wing screams DEATH PANELS!!

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