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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all. A corporation should not be able to make medical decisions for their employees.
    Corporations don't, they hire people and people hired play by those corporate rules and know what they are getting into when they join the company.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The ruling was deliberately made narrow.
    As opposed to ruling that are deliberately made broad? Most if not all ruling are made narrowly by the SCOTUS.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Contraception is such a narrow item, that didn't impact me either way. How exactly has the impact of this decision about Obamacare diminished it's impact on me?
    I'm not you so I cannot say. It doesn't affect me either. However the ruling puts boundaries around what a government can and cannot do - boundaries are by and large good when it comes to government.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would have never passed and the Democrats know it.
    Not yet. Game ain't over though.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No he didn't. This has been discussed for years, so there is no reason to dredge it up again. Romneycare is a state program created by a Democrat Legislature, with many differences, and the Heritage Plan was abandoned. I appreciate how important it has been to push the narrative that Obamacare is a Republican Idea, but that's just propaganda and marketing.
    I guess I'll wait for the conversation to come up again if you don't want to dredge up the counter-argument. The claim isn't that Obamacare is identical, but that it has strong conservative roots. Thus, the opposition seems more political than ideological.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Regardless.....the harder you make it to get contraceptives, the more likely unwanted pregnancies will occur which means increase abortions. This is true whether you like it or not. By making contraceptives harder to get, these Christian lobby groups have insured that more abortions will occur. I wonder how they feel about the blood on their hands.
    There is nor will there be blood on their hands. People get to make their own decisions still ... if there's blood on anyone's hands it's those who will agree to have abortions. Playing the victim card, so passe.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    In my Hobby Lobby, a voice over the loudspeaker said;

    attention female employees, may we have your attention please,

    chastity belts are now 50% and are in aisle number six, while supplies last!

    attention male employees!

    you'll need to keep it in your pants now because of the SCROTUS ruling!

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely....but they now have to live with the reality that their actions will mean that religion based corporations can now refuse to provide birth control which will mean more abortions. That is just a simple fact...unintended consequences that they now have to accept.
    Perhaps. Or maybe if more people took the stand that Hobby Lobby does, abortion would again become something mostly necessary and rare. Do you really think responsible people are going to have abortions because somebody doesn't provide them with free contraceptives? Millions and millions of us lived, had kids, and dealt with life before government demanded that insurance companies provide contraceptives. We bought our own contraceptives out of our own pockets and thought nothing of it.

    Do you think irresponsible people are going to behave differently or more responsibly just because Hobby Lobby pays for four additional contraceptives in addition to the dozens they don't object to?

    I want to SCREAM when I hear people think that people have no responsibility for their choices and behavior if government doesn't provide all they need to be responsible.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    This is a ****ed up day. Religion enters into government. ****ed up day.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Talk about an over-reaction. This decision has nothing to do with "forcing people to buy a commodity". That is tremendous over-reaching on your part. The reality, however, is that although contraception may be relatively inexpensive, any time you make it harder for people to get....it is going to result in less people using it. That is just common sense 101. Less use of contraceptives will mean more unwanted pregnancies....again.....simple common sense 101....whether you like it or not.
    A business should never be forced to pay to protect its employees from the consequences of unprotected sex. That's just patently stupid.

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