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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh....how little you know. My husband actually owns his own business, so in a sense, I do as well.
    Great, so you have no problem with someone else telling you how to spend your money? You seem very vocal when it comes to someone else spending money on your behalf, how about putting the shoe on the other foot? I can tell from most of your posts that you wouldn't be happy if someone told your husband or you what to do with your own earnings. Guess it is true how selfish liberals really are

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    agree the ACA was poorly conceived legislation.
    The PPACA didn't go nearly as far as TR, IKE, and Nixon wanted it to.
    Many were rather shocked to find out the perpetrators of that POS
    Came from Heritage.
    outright lied about the scope and reach.
    Once one throws up the "LIE" card, you create the stalemate we have in D.C.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they can get their drugs anywhere. so why do you continue this strawman?
    I was repeating something someone else wrote- that 'free' contraception is available at any PP office. The point was that's good advice, but might not work out so well in REAL LIFE.

    And sure, someone poor CAN get a brand new Lexus, but if they're poor, that might prove difficult in actual reality. I guess I don't understand why it's hard for you guys to admit that there ARE problems of access, especially among the poor, and then just say you don't give a damn. It'd be more honest than pretending that if contraception is denied by a bunch of employers and the easy solution put forth by the SC doesn't work (and it's being challenged in court as we speak), that it's no big deal to lots of women. It will be. So admit it and just say that you couldn't care less and then we're all on the same page.

    Heck, it's not like the old system was working. 1.2 million abortions is a decent indication we've got a problem. If you all don't care to take any steps to solve it, that's fine, but then don't be shocked when those who DO try to make policy changes, such as coverage of contraception for 'free,' don't take your suggestions about what works and doesn't and what's a burden for women and what isn't, all that seriously. If you've got better ideas, let's hear them.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Your insurance has been regulated for decades, with minimum coverage requirements, all kinds of rules about employer plans. Since 2000 there has been a contraception 'mandate' etc. Regulations are as old as the republic, so there's nothing new here except a black muslim kenyan is in the WH and now everything that happens that right wingers don't like is the end of the world as we know it. It's pretty funny.
    Insurance has been regulated so that the customer could have a reasonable expectation of what he/she was buying--truth in advertising and all that. But it has NEVER been regulated like it has been regulated under Obamacare. We have never had our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities restricted about anything as they are under Obamacare. And Obama's race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it so far as I am concerned. Why are you so conscious of it that you felt it necessary to bring it up?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    the november vote is about turn out. democrats will not turn out in high numbers. republicans win big time.

    lamar is the winner.
    All elections are like no others.
    Please assume that Republicans will turn out as in the past and DEMs won't, as an "independent" from TN might .
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Without a 5-4 ruling to give the 2000 election to Bush, which gave us Roberts and Alito,
    you'd be decrying this 6-3 vote against Hobby Lobby.
    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    the liberal lobby is pushing this as a complete disaster for
    women's health care in this country and are being misleading about what the ruling means.
    for conservatives its a victory for religious freedom.
    Make no mistake--the ruling is a bastardization of the 1st amendment.
    It's about religious groups forcing their will on others, the reason why we left the King of England .
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Correct. The dicta of the decision however leaves open the possibility and raises the question how far can a religion push their beliefs into medical decisions.
    not really. the SCOTUS majority was pretty much set that this was it. i posted what they said and you cut it off to continue an argument. question is why you did that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am very close to Planned Parenthood so the reality is birth control is free and they will even send them to you. Are you really this selfish and expect someone else to pay for your contraception? What has happened to this country with so many like you and that entitlement mentality? Apparently you have no problem spending someone else's money.

    I couldn't care how far you have to drive, take responsibility for your own actions.
    First of all, since when does having insurance you EARN at work constitute someone 'paying' for anything healthcare related. When I was an employee, I earned those benefits and when I went to the doctor and got a shot or they stitched up a wound, no one GAVE that to me or paid that on my behalf any more than they gave me my monthly salary. So why in the world is contraception different?

    Let's rewrite that and address it to the 10s of millions of employees out there, "Are you really this selfish and expect someone else to pay for your cancer treatment/diabetes drugs/cholesterol meds? Heck, if your employer doesn't pay, from the insurance you EARNED at work, just stand in line for 3 hours at the local free clinic once a month and get your prescription filled for free!"

    Just call them slut pills and we'll all understand right wing thinking on this issue.

    Second, I am responsible for my actions. I am self employed, have a paid off house, etc. So no need to lecture me. But lecturing women, and especially poor women, might make you feel good but it's not going to help any when you throw up barriers and make it harder for them to be responsible. I'll repeat it again, we have about 1.2 million (last time I checked) abortions per year. Lecturing isn't working. If you have another idea, great.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I was repeating something someone else wrote- that 'free' contraception is available at any PP office. The point was that's good advice, but might not work out so well in REAL LIFE.

    And sure, someone poor CAN get a brand new Lexus, but if they're poor, that might prove difficult in actual reality. I guess I don't understand why it's hard for you guys to admit that there ARE problems of access, especially among the poor, and then just say you don't give a damn. It'd be more honest than pretending that if contraception is denied by a bunch of employers and the easy solution put forth by the SC doesn't work (and it's being challenged in court as we speak), that it's no big deal to lots of women. It will be. So admit it and just say that you couldn't care less and then we're all on the same page.

    Heck, it's not like the old system was working. 1.2 million abortions is a decent indication we've got a problem. If you all don't care to take any steps to solve it, that's fine, but then don't be shocked when those who DO try to make policy changes, such as coverage of contraception for 'free,' don't take your suggestions about what works and doesn't and what's a burden for women and what isn't, all that seriously. If you've got better ideas, let's hear them.
    just an appeal to emotion. this ruling affects none of this so this is just one giant strawman.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't think that is what Maquiscat was saying though. But I don't think he went far enough with his thought or he might have phrased it differently.

    Most of the left/liberals for instance have no problem with hitting the taxpayer up for funding for an artist who then produces something offensive to many Americans or for funding the organization that exhibits it. That is, in a sense, forcing others to fund a form of 'free speech'. Many on the left doggedly support federal funding of NPR and PBS, both of whom they approve, but that forces others to finance those organizations that they may never listen to or might dissaprove. The liberal support for government control and criminalization of so-called 'hate speech' is also a way of using everybody's government to suppress the speech of some in the name of political correctness.

    And there is a small but persistent push for Congress to reinstate funding for gun violence research (translation: support for more regulation of guns.) That funding was suspended I believe in 1996.

    The point is that the Founders never intended the federal government to have any say in the regulation or use of guns and that was a matter to be left up to the individual, the states, and local communities.
    WHAT "liberal support" for criminalization of "hate speech"? Can you provide ANY evidence that a significant number of liberals support that?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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