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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    what i know is that liberals are misrepresenting what the ruling means.

    see this thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-m...by-ruling.html

    the ruling allows companies to maintain the same policy they had before the administration, not congress, decided to mandate ALL companies provide for free ALL forms of approved forms contraception under ACA.

    NO i'm not mistaken.
    Actually...you are mistaken. The ruling allows more than "allowing companies to maintain the same policy". It allows companies owned by religious groups to exclude from coverage, that which they deem "offensive" to their beliefs.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    And rather than write a Law that is explicit they left the dirty details to a bunch of bureaucrats at HHS (Kathleen Sebelius fer crissake) to come up with their mandated list of subjective dream coverage items.

    Anyone with any sense should at this point realize that we wouldn't be going through any of this if Obama had kept his promise about keeping your coverage and had instead focused on covering the un-covered.
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    The Hobby Lobby case is just the tip of the iceberg as the left will continue to try to tighten the vise until all our rights are assigned to us by somebody else and we will have no right to be who are what we are or any choice in our own destinies.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually...you are mistaken. The ruling allows more than "allowing companies to maintain the same policy". It allows companies owned by religious groups to exclude from coverage, that which they deem "offensive" to their beliefs.
    No, it POTENTIALLY allows for it. And before you pull the bull**** "read the rulings", I have. The verdict is specific to this case. While it's POSSIBLE that it could be used at a future time for other issues, it is not a certainty or a guarantee and presenting it as FACT is simply incorrect.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually...you are mistaken. The ruling allows more than "allowing companies to maintain the same policy". It allows companies owned by religious groups to exclude from coverage, that which they deem "offensive" to their beliefs.
    The companies had the right to provide or exclude any coverage they saw fit before the mandate and that is exactly what mtm1963 just said.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually...you are mistaken. The ruling allows more than "allowing companies to maintain the same policy". It allows companies owned by religious groups to exclude from coverage, that which they deem "offensive" to their beliefs.
    As well it should. The federal government should have no right to tell any private company what product(s) they must offer, what products they are required to make available to their employees, or what products the employees are required to by. Its bad enough if the federal government forbids the manufacture or sale of certain products known to be harmful to everybody, but I can live with that. But to tell them they HAVE to buy what the government says they should have is just wrong.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually...you are mistaken. The ruling allows more than "allowing companies to maintain the same policy". It allows companies owned by religious groups to exclude from coverage, that which they deem "offensive" to their beliefs.
    these companies like hobby lobby are NOT changing their coverage on contraception because of this ruling. they will maintain what have already in place.

    stop pushing the false narrative that these companies are going to cancel contraception coverage in their insurance policies they now provide for their employees because of this ruling.

    hobby lobby covers 16 of 20 contraception methods approved by the FDA.

    why would they suddenly change and say no to ALL contraception coverage?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The 84 IQ card from a Libertarian right--ironic.
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    and then the "attack the lean" card from a Libefrtarian right--more irony.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The problem is that it puts a precedent of using religion to ignore law. The bigger problem is the "narrowing" aspect of a rulings. Its trying to flaunt law by making it apply only for the few. That is what is unconstitutional.
    nope it upholds the law read the RFRA. that was a laws signed 20 years ago.

    nope it doesn't apply to a few and the courts issue narrow rulings all the time.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, it was a blatant, deliberate, and hurtful/hateful lie from the get go, and his base continues to defend it. Which is why I think as the great experiment, the USA has now failed. We who love and value liberty were too busy tending to business to notice the enemy within that has now eroded almost all our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities that they make us believe are still ours but which they can now allow or take away with impunity.

    The Hobby Lobby case is just the tip of the iceberg as the left will continue to try to tighten the vise until all our rights are assigned to us by somebody else and we will have no right to be who are what we are or any choice in our own destinies.
    Your insurance has been regulated for decades, with minimum coverage requirements, all kinds of rules about employer plans. Since 2000 there has been a contraception 'mandate' etc. Regulations are as old as the republic, so there's nothing new here except a black muslim kenyan is in the WH and now everything that happens that right wingers don't like is the end of the world as we know it. It's pretty funny.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    these companies like hobby lobby are NOT changing their coverage on contraception because of this ruling. they will maintain what have already in place.

    stop pushing the false narrative that these companies are going to cancel contraception coverage in their insurance policies they now provide for their employees because of this ruling.

    hobby lobby covers 16 of 20 contraception methods approved by the FDA.

    why would they suddenly change and say no to ALL contraception coverage?
    And they are on the record that they have no problem of any kind with contraceptives that prevent pregnancy from occurring and have no objection to those being on their policy--it was just the four that they believe cause an abortive process that they reject on moral/religious grounds. But even if they DID object to contraceptives in general--say they were devout Catholics who obeyed the church's official position on that (which few Catholics do)--it should be their right to not to have to use their money to provide contraceptives to others.

    Liberty requires that people be who and what they are no matter how many of us might disagree with their choices about that.
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