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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    If it's "the morning after" pill, it's not an abortion to me.
    These people don't believe in science so when science says that they are not abortive measures they simply say they don't believe it.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Of course that is possible....except that Hobby Lobby had a "self insured group health plan" making it difficult to believe that the owners didn't know what their own companies insurance plan was covering.
    the cfo probably had an idea

    the hr director probably also

    the owner...not so much (at least imo)

    there is only so much detail i give to the owner....the rest is just superfluous

    i want him concentrating on bringing in revenue....not watching what we do and dont insure on a policy

    that is why you hire guys like me....i take care of all those details

    and we were self insured at one time....really bad decision on previous cfo's part

    unless you have thousands of employees, the contingent liability will eat you alive

    but when the ACA was passed, a lot of people got very aware of what they had to cover at that point

    why? well, because never before had our government mandated certain coverages

    and when you open people's eyes to what the law actually read, that is when people starting making waves
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    These people don't believe in science so when science says that they are not abortive measures they simply say they don't believe it.
    Science isn't the all knowing oracle of everything. Science is wrong just as much as anything else. If science told you up was down would you believe it or trust your own senses?
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    Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You asking me who made crap up willy nilly? The conservative morons on the scotus.

    Like idiot boy scalia for example... Where in employment division vs smith he wrote his opinion on how natives who use peyote... In a practice far predating Christianity BTW... Can't use religion as an excuse. What a hypocritical dork that guy is.

    Face it, the right only likes the ruling because its a sticking of the thumb in Obamas eye. It has nothing to do with the constitutionality of it at all.
    Not going to lie...I'm a conservative and think it's funny as hell how twisted people are over this. As an employer the Hobby Lobby is a progressives wet ****ing dream. They paid $6 an hour over minimum wage and provided health care with 16 different forms of contraception authorized. They were the model of what leftists believed business should be. Let them choose to not cover an abortion pill and watch the left lose their ****ing minds. Hell yes...it's kinda hilarious.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    These people don't believe in science so when science says that they
    are not abortive measures they simply say they don't believe it.
    This USSC decision is the first in a string that will lead to completely overturning Roe v. Wade.
    They have now set precedent on a corporation's religious belief that abortion occurs the day/the moment after sex occurs .
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This USSC decision is the first in a string that will lead to completely overturning Roe v. Wade.
    They have now set precedent on a corporation's religious belief that abortion occurs the day/the moment after sex occurs .
    OMG They're going to overturn Roe v. Wade!!!

    <enter astro-turf protestors and SEIU goons>
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge[W:513,870]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not going to lie...I'm a conservative and think it's funny as hell how twisted people are over this. As an employer the Hobby Lobby is a progressives wet ****ing dream. The paid $6 an hour over minimum wage and provided health care with 16 different forms of contraception authorized. They were the model of what leftists believed business should be. Let them choose to not cover an abortion pill and watch the left lose their ****ing minds. Hell yes...it's kinda hilarious.
    Let's concede that HL is a decent employer because by all accounts they really ARE. Good for them!

    But that doesn't matter because the opinion isn't limited to HL and it's not limited to the four types of BC that HL didn't cover. It has a MUCH broader reach than that, covers employers good and bad, who might cover 0 or 3 or 18 of the BC options.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Your post is an example of why Democratic voters are more geared up for this election than Republicans, especially women.
    Please continue with your sarcasm treating women as second-class citizens.
    Meanwhile, your own Republican party is divided on every issue, including this one .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    OMG They're going to overturn Roe v. Wade!!!

    <enter astro-turf protestors and SEIU goons>
    Physics is Phun

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the cfo probably had an idea

    the hr director probably also

    the owner...not so much (at least imo)

    there is only so much detail i give to the owner....the rest is just superfluous

    i want him concentrating on bringing in revenue....not watching what we do and dont insure on a policy

    that is why you hire guys like me....i take care of all those details

    and we were self insured at one time....really bad decision on previous cfo's part

    unless you have thousands of employees, the contingent liability will eat you alive

    but when the ACA was passed, a lot of people got very aware of what they had to cover at that point

    why? well, because never before had our government mandated certain coverages

    and when you open people's eyes to what the law actually read, that is when people starting making waves
    I think the point about HL's case (and it's sort of irrelevant to the big picture) is if providing a basic healthcare package that includes BC poses a 'substantial burden' on you free exercise of religion, and that's what HL claimed, then someone should surely have spent the 5 minutes to check whether their plan pre-ACA covered abortion pills. The fact that they didn't care enough to ASK provides a decent window into how important the BC coverage was to their exercise of religion, not much at all. But post-ACA, what they didn't care enough to ask about is now sufficiently burdensome that they can nullify a law of general applicability because to comply with it poses a substantial burden on their religion? It's tough to believe.

    Like I said it doesn't matter because other employers DID care enough to ask, and they in fact refused to cover ANY, pre and post ACA. So HL are hypocrites, but that doesn't matter - take HL off the list of named parties and insert another and we get the same ruling.

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