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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So let's see if I have this right, personal choice is supported when it comes to aborting a fetus but not when it comes to choosing a job? No one forced anyone to take a job with any religious based company and pay/benefits are discussed at the time of hiring. Where are the rights of the business in your world?
    This has nothing to do with "aborting a fetus", it has to do with access to birth control. Lets at least start on the appropriate premise as opposed to your usual attempts at spin Con....
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Hobby Lobby is a private family owned business that already paid their employees better AND provided health care coverage. They already provided contraceptives when medically indicated. You would have thought they were a progressives wet dream. They rejected the the governments attempt to force them to pay for contraceptives for other than medical needs situation. Oh no...they dared to not roll over and take it. Vilify them!!!

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    How do YOU? (abortion supporter)

    BTW: The drugs banned from the plan. caused abortions-like reactions.
    The decision goes beyond that. BTW....I don't support abortion. I just don't believe it is the government's decision to make.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This has nothing to do with "aborting a fetus", it has to do with access to birth control. Lets at least start on the appropriate premise as opposed to your usual attempts at spin Con....
    No, it has everything to do with choice, choice is good when it comes to birth control and abortion but not so in choosing a job. You want it both ways.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely.....however, they will have to live with the fact that their actions have consequences that could have been avoided....unintended consequences that I'm certain they would prefer not occur, which now will. It simply exposes the hypocrisy of these so called "Christian" pro-life groups.
    When are you going to hold the women who pop out kids they can't afford to the same standard?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, it has everything to do with choice, choice is good when it comes to birth control and abortion but not so in choosing a job. You want it both ways.
    Not at all. A corporation should not be able to make medical decisions for their employees.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When are you going to hold the women who pop out kids they can't afford to the same standard?
    I do. People should practice personal responsibility, but corporations should not be allow to hinder it.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This has nothing to do with "aborting a fetus", it has to do with access to birth control. Lets at least start on the appropriate premise as opposed to your usual attempts at spin Con....
    Hobby Lobby objected to four contraceptives on the market which they believed cause an abortion and, on moral/religious grounds, they refused to pay for and thereby condone those types of contraceptives. They had no objection to the many dozens of other contraceptives on the market that prevent pregnancy. Prevention of pregnancy in the first place was okay with them but abortion was not. Whether or not we agree with their point of view, they have every right as Americans living under the Constitution to hold their point of view.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Hobby Lobby objected to four contraceptives on the market which they believed cause an abortion and, on moral/religious grounds, they refused to pay for and thereby condone those types of contraceptives. They had no objection to the many dozens of other contraceptives on the market that prevent pregnancy. Prevention of pregnancy in the first place was okay with them but abortion was not. Whether or not we agree with their point of view, they have every right as Americans living under the Constitution to hold their point of view.
    Absolutely....but they now have to live with the reality that their actions will mean that religion based corporations can now refuse to provide birth control which will mean more abortions. That is just a simple fact...unintended consequences that they now have to accept.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely....but they now have to live with the reality that their actions will mean that religion based corporations can now refuse to provide birth control which will mean more abortions. That is just a simple fact...unintended consequences that they now have to accept.
    That dire consequence conclusion does not follow from the decision at all. Those employees who consider themselves negatively impacted by the decision will simply have to buy their party hats elsewhere or they can simply get birth control pills elsewhere, they're cheap enough.

    No one is now doomed to a lifetime of truck stop restroom coat hangers.
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