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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    from what i have seen the state gives private in home care people money that they would otherwise spend on them at in institution only it is cheaper.
    they are not eligable for any other state benefits including pensions, vacation or healthcare benefits.

    Illinois law excludes such in-home caregivers from retirement and health insurance plans and the state does not assume liability for actions taken during the course of their employment, Judge Samuel Alito noted.

    "Illinois deems personal assistants to be state employees for one purpose only, collective bargaining," Alito wrote

    so it was a scam by the union to just sit back collect union dues and these people got nothing in return. it is the same scam they were running in MI that just ended.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

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    from what i have seen the state gives private in home care people money that they would otherwise spend on them at in institution only it is cheaper.
    they are not eligable for any other state benefits including pensions, vacation or healthcare benefits.

    Illinois law excludes such in-home caregivers from retirement and health insurance plans and the state does not assume liability for actions taken during the course of their employment, Judge Samuel Alito noted.

    "Illinois deems personal assistants to be state employees for one purpose only, collective bargaining," Alito wrote

    so it was a scam by the union to just sit back collect union dues and these people got nothing in return. it is the same scam they were running in MI that just ended.
    Collective bargaining is what help more than double her pay:
    Every morning, Johnson gets up early, and helps Kenneth bathe, preps his food, washes his clothes. When he was younger, it was just something she did as a mother, to keep the state from putting him in a mental institution. But since the late 1990s, when she retired from her job as a cashier at a grocery store, caring for her son has been paid work. She started at around $5 an hour, from a state program that reimburses Medicaid recipients for home-based personal assistants. After the program's employees organized with the Service Employees International Union in 2003, the wage got bargained up to $11.85 an hour, and will rise to $13 in December. Public sector unions could radically change this week - The Washington Post

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

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    Collective bargaining is what help more than double her pay:
    Every morning, Johnson gets up early, and helps Kenneth bathe, preps his food, washes his clothes. When he was younger, it was just something she did as a mother, to keep the state from putting him in a mental institution. But since the late 1990s, when she retired from her job as a cashier at a grocery store, caring for her son has been paid work. She started at around $5 an hour, from a state program that reimburses Medicaid recipients for home-based personal assistants. After the program's employees organized with the Service Employees International Union in 2003, the wage got bargained up to $11.85 an hour, and will rise to $13 in December. Public sector unions could radically change this week - The Washington Post
    she got nothing else she was not an actual employee of the state. she was only used to get more money and had union dues taken out.
    an actual employee of the state would have received pension, health benefits, etc ...

    alito was correct. she was only an employee in as much as collective bargaining you backed up his point very well.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    she got nothing else she was not an actual employee of the state. she was only used to get more money and had union dues taken out.
    an actual employee of the state would have received pension, health benefits, etc ...

    alito was correct. she was only an employee in as much as collective bargaining you backed up his point very well.
    If you read the article, the people that didn't have collective bargaining rights made $5.00 an hour until 2003 when they gained those rights by organizing. Since then, they will have nearly triple that pay to $13.00 an hour. If it wasn't for collective bargaining, those people would still be making bottom of the barrel wages. This case can hurt them quite a bit.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmembers to pay fees.

    This is a win for constitutional rights but a big setback for unions. It looks like "fair share fees" are, by their very nature, unconstitutional.

    Supreme Court: Home health-care workers can
    Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

    Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

    Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

    I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

    IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

    Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

    Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

    I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

    IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.
    It was even worse they were labeled state employee's even though they didn't get any other benefits. just so they would have to join the union.

    SEIU Membership Drops 80 Percent After Dues Skim Ends [Michigan Capitol Confidential]
    almost the same scam they were running in MI. until it got shot down.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Unions were forcing non-union members to pay fees/dues?

    Yeah, that is called stealing -- or even more so extortion. It's down right wrong!

    Who are these progressive clowns? the mafia???

    I don't even understand how they get away with this type of insanity or criminal behavior.

    IMO, this isn't a matter for the SCOTUS but for the DOJ or FBI considering it's criminal.
    No, the workers had voted to have collective bargaining rights. Pam Harris doesn't speak for the majority.

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, you don't really have a real discussion? Just here to hurl insults?
    When you flat out lie about facts, what discussion is being had? You loe, we correct ypu, you spew seiu talking points.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    When you flat out lie about facts, what discussion is being had? You loe, we correct ypu, you spew seiu talking points.
    Care to point out where I lied?

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    Re: Supreme Court says public sector union of home care workers can't force nonmember

    Right to work should be federal mandate. Individuals shouldn't be forced into joining a union, and they certainly shouldn't be forced to pay dues if they choose not to join a union.

    Who the **** do these people think they are????


    They can shove their "local 101" nonsense up their asses.

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