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Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

Jack Hays said:
Those have nothing to do with the ruling, and the pro-choicers can be equally loathsome.
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You're another one that doesn't know the difference between accost & harass vs battery. The ruling is a miserable failure in protecting women from possible bodily harm and even death.
 
AJiveMan said:
You're another one that doesn't know the difference between accost & harass vs battery. The ruling is a miserable failure in protecting women from possible bodily harm and even death.
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Yes yes yes . . . . the unbearable burdens of free speech.:roll:
 
AJiveMan said:
You're another one that doesn't know the difference between accost & harass vs battery. The ruling is a miserable failure in protecting women from possible bodily harm and even death.
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if you are being harassed or assaulted by protestors then you call the police and they get arrested.

this ruling struck down an unconstitutional law which is exactly what it is suppose to do. the same reason that all free speech zones on college campuses are getting slaughtered as well. they are unconstitutional.

the only permissable free speech zone would be at a private school or a private event.

they cannot prevent you from entering a building that to is illegal.
the ruling has nothing to do with that.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Those have nothing to do with the ruling, and the pro-choicers can be equally loathsome.
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Yes, they can. In the case of my community, ardent pro-choicers were ultimately discovered to have been behind the so-called threatening notes that a few people received. Anything to gin up sympathy, you know.

What would be great is if those making the claims would provide the name of the city in which incidents allegedly occurred and also the year so that the claims can be verified.
 
How many bitching about this ruling were defending the bussed in union protesters that terrorized that bankers son a couple years ago?
 
MaggieD said:
I think that was the right thing to do.

Maybe it'll entice some anti-abortion people to stand outside and offer to pay a woman's medical expenses and adopt her baby.
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Adoption is a good alternative. I have a friend who had to go to China for a baby.
 
AJiveMan said:
That's why you keep replying to my posts with your failed BS. thanks for playing.
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I keep replying to your posts because I find it amusing. As long as your moronic posts amuse me I'll keep responding. Time to step up your game since you feel you're playing.... dazzle me.
 
American said:
Adoption is a good alternative. I have a friend who had to go to China for a baby.
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Yeah... adoption tourism is a bit of a problem for American babies. Americans want exotic looking babies and kind of ignore the tens of thousands of kids up for adoption here in their own country.
 
I think the Massachusetts lawmakers should work to create a new law which is compliance with:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of time, place and manner (TPM) restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be neutral with respect to content, narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this four-part analysis varies with the circumstances of each case, and typically requires lower standards for the restriction of obscenity and fighting words.
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Hatuey said:
Yeah... adoption tourism is a bit of a problem for American babies. Americans want exotic looking babies and kind of ignore the tens of thousands of kids up for adoption here in their own country.
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What people want are babies. Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
 
Hatuey said:
I think the Massachusetts lawmakers should work to create a new law which is compliance with:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
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The problem with the content neutral idea is that the Courts are not against looking to see if the intent of the law is discriminatory. You would probably have to word the law as being that during certain busy hours for a protest to go on there would have to be a permit filled out. That way it is content neutral because it applies to any side walk, it is narrowly tailored because it only applies during times when many people would be on the sidewalks, the government interest would be to not cause traffic build up on the sidewalks, and then it does leave alternative channels of communication because people can still protest and hang up flyers in front of the buildings. The issue however is you still get back into the area where they ruled on this case being a public fora argument where sidewalks are considered the most open place for free speech. I am not saying the argument couldn't work, I just don't see it working with this Supreme Court. I am also unsure if the Court would see this as still a neutral way to hid discriminatory practices.
 
ludin said:
if you are being harassed or assaulted by protestors then you call the police and they get arrested.

this ruling struck down an unconstitutional law which is exactly what it is suppose to do. the same reason that all free speech zones on college campuses are getting slaughtered as well. they are unconstitutional.

the only permissable free speech zone would be at a private school or a private event.

they cannot prevent you from entering a building that to is illegal.
the ruling has nothing to do with that.
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The people who assault usually leave before the cops show up.

You folks ought to come to my city where the pro lifers step in front of people trying to hinder the ones going into PPH, they also get right up into people's faces too.
 
Jack Hays said:
What people want are babies.
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Let's start with the children who are most likely to be adopted:

Facts About Adoption — Children's Rights

<1 year — 4 percent
1-3 years — 26 percent
4-6 years — 20 percent
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Here are the adoption facts for China:

Adoption Information from Adoptive Families Magazine: Domestic, International, Foster and Embryo Adoption Resources

Age/Gender of Children Adopted From China in 2006
Source: INS Immigration Statistics
91% Female
44% under 1 year of age
52% 1 – 4 years of age
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So, as far as the 1-4 age groups are concerned there is literally a 50-80% overlap between the number of American children waiting for adoption and the children being adopted from China. If your claim held any water, the supply of American children waiting to be adopted would be more than enough to fill in more than half of what is currently being shipped in from China. And yet, 50% of American children waiting to be adopted are the same age as 50% of those being adopted and brought in from China. Why? Well, it's clear:

People want very specific foreign looking adoptees. They don't want them to look like any visible American demographic. They want their kids to have ties to other countries and they want to be able to tell a story about how they rescued their kids from some hellhole in the developing world. I get that there are parents who probably don't do it for those reason. They really feel the urgency to adopt a kid and they don't care if it isn't their blood. However, when they choose to adopt a 2 year old kid from China when there literally thousands waiting in the US just like her, it's clear to me that there was an exoticism factor involved. It's hard to escape the visible links of white transnational guilt when it comes to a lot of these adoptions. Let's not kid ourselves into believing otherwise.

Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
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That's because the average wait time they have is anywhere from 2 to 7 years. So the kids grow older while the Chinese adoption business booms.
 
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Jack Hays said:
What people want are babies. Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
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I have NEVER heard of an adoptive couple looking for an "exotic" baby. What they all wanted, desperately, was a baby. O

ne of my friends and her husband tried for over ten years to adopt--did the home studies and all of that. But her father was a Vietnam vet, and even though they had been estranged for many years and my friend had already seized guardianship of her older sister with Down, her father was interviewed. And he always said plainly that he didn't want any "***damned gook" for a grandchild.

And that was enough to keep my friend from adopting for ten years. Luckily, she and her husband were able to adopt from Korea while the Olympics window of opportunity remained open because they didn't "mind" adopting a boy (this is often more difficult than adopting a girl).
 
AJiveMan said:
The people who assault usually leave before the cops show up.

You folks ought to come to my city where the pro lifers step in front of people trying to hinder the ones going into PPH, they also get right up into people's faces too.
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all of that stuff is already illegal and this ruling had 0 effect on those. call the police after you get in the building or before you leave and tell them who is restraining you from
entering a building.
 
Hatuey said:
Let's start with the children who are most likely to be adopted:

Facts About Adoption — Children's Rights



Here are the adoption facts for China:

Adoption Information from Adoptive Families Magazine: Domestic, International, Foster and Embryo Adoption Resources



So, as far as the 1-4 age groups are concerned there is literally a 50-80% overlap between the number of American children waiting for adoption and the children being adopted from China. If your claim held any water, the supply of American children waiting to be adopted would be more than enough to fill in more than half of what is currently being shipped in from China. And yet, 50% of American children waiting to be adopted are the same age as 50% of those being adopted and brought in from China. Why? Well, it's clear:

People want very specific foreign looking adoptees. They don't want them to look like any visible American demographic. They want their kids to have ties to other countries and they want to be able to tell a story about how they rescued their kids from some hellhole in the developing world. I get that there are parents who probably don't do it for those reason. They really feel the urgency to adopt a kid and they don't care if it isn't their blood. However, when they choose to adopt a 2 year old kid from China when there literally thousands waiting in the US just like her, it's clear to me that there was an exoticism factor involved. It's hard to escape the visible links of white transnational guilt when it comes to a lot of these adoptions. Let's not kid ourselves into believing otherwise.



That's because the average wait time they have is anywhere from 2 to 7 years. So the kids grow older while the Chinese adoption business booms.
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Well, no. You've left out entirely the ritical fact that a large percentage of American children who become available for adoption do so at an older age because of family breakdowns, parental incarceration or death. The reason there are more children available for adoption in the US is because they're in the US. I know several families who adopted abroad, or tried to. All had no US option.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
Well, no. You've left out entirely the ritical fact that a large percentage of American children who become available for adoption do so at an older age because of family breakdowns, parental incarceration or death.
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Irrelevant, there is still a 50% overlap in foreign children adopted at the ages of 1-4 and children waiting for adoption in that same age group in the US.

The reason there are more children available for adoption in the US is because they're in the US.
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What? Try and make sense.

I know several families who adopted abroad, or tried to. All had no US option.:peace
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Demonstratively false as shown by the actual statistics.
 
nota bene said:
I have NEVER heard of an adoptive couple looking for an "exotic" baby. What they all wanted, desperately, was a baby. O

ne of my friends and her husband tried for over ten years to adopt--did the home studies and all of that. But her father was a Vietnam vet, and even though they had been estranged for many years and my friend had already seized guardianship of her older sister with Down, her father was interviewed. And he always said plainly that he didn't want any "***damned gook" for a grandchild.

And that was enough to keep my friend from adopting for ten years. Luckily, she and her husband were able to adopt from Korea while the Olympics window of opportunity remained open because they didn't "mind" adopting a boy (this is often more difficult than adopting a girl).
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When the number of foreign children adopted exceeds the number of American children adopted in all fields, the obvious answer is that people want exotic children. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not really great either. There are 100,000 American children eligible for adoption in the US. 40%50% of them fall in the same category as children adopted from other countries. Coinkidink? Niet. Adoption tourism harms American children. That's the truth of the matter.
 
Hatuey said:
Irrelevant, there is still a 50% overlap in foreign children adopted at the ages of 1-4 and children waiting for adoption in that same age group in the US.



What? Try and make sense.



Demonstratively false as shown by the actual statistics.
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Demonstrably true.
 
I don't think the pro-abortion crowd should be advocating for gun battles with the anti-abortion crowd? Which side do you think has more guns and knows how to use them?


Deuce said:
They should just start packin heat. I know a bunch of people crowding around me, shouting at me, might put me in fear for my life.
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Intimidating isn't assault. Otherwise my penis would be illegal.


AJiveMan said:
Yes, Exactly ridiculous, which is why I think you missed something here, go back in the thread and read the post/s I responded to.

I know assault is illegal, but that's what pro lifers do, they attempt to intimidate people going to clinics.
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