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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think that was the right thing to do.

    Maybe it'll entice some anti-abortion people to stand outside and offer to pay a woman's medical expenses and adopt her baby.
    Adoption is a good alternative. I have a friend who had to go to China for a baby.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Adoption is a good alternative. I have a friend who had to go to China for a baby.
    My SO's son and wife did the same thing.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Adoption is a good alternative. I have a friend who had to go to China for a baby.
    Yeah... adoption tourism is a bit of a problem for American babies. Americans want exotic looking babies and kind of ignore the tens of thousands of kids up for adoption here in their own country.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    I think the Massachusetts lawmakers should work to create a new law which is compliance with:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

    The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of time, place and manner (TPM) restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be neutral with respect to content, narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this four-part analysis varies with the circumstances of each case, and typically requires lower standards for the restriction of obscenity and fighting words.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah... adoption tourism is a bit of a problem for American babies. Americans want exotic looking babies and kind of ignore the tens of thousands of kids up for adoption here in their own country.
    What people want are babies. Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the Massachusetts lawmakers should work to create a new law which is compliance with:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
    The problem with the content neutral idea is that the Courts are not against looking to see if the intent of the law is discriminatory. You would probably have to word the law as being that during certain busy hours for a protest to go on there would have to be a permit filled out. That way it is content neutral because it applies to any side walk, it is narrowly tailored because it only applies during times when many people would be on the sidewalks, the government interest would be to not cause traffic build up on the sidewalks, and then it does leave alternative channels of communication because people can still protest and hang up flyers in front of the buildings. The issue however is you still get back into the area where they ruled on this case being a public fora argument where sidewalks are considered the most open place for free speech. I am not saying the argument couldn't work, I just don't see it working with this Supreme Court. I am also unsure if the Court would see this as still a neutral way to hid discriminatory practices.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How many bitching about this ruling were defending the bussed in union protesters that terrorized that bankers son a couple years ago?
    I'll guess most of them.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    if you are being harassed or assaulted by protestors then you call the police and they get arrested.

    this ruling struck down an unconstitutional law which is exactly what it is suppose to do. the same reason that all free speech zones on college campuses are getting slaughtered as well. they are unconstitutional.

    the only permissable free speech zone would be at a private school or a private event.

    they cannot prevent you from entering a building that to is illegal.
    the ruling has nothing to do with that.
    The people who assault usually leave before the cops show up.

    You folks ought to come to my city where the pro lifers step in front of people trying to hinder the ones going into PPH, they also get right up into people's faces too.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    What people want are babies.
    Let's start with the children who are most likely to be adopted:

    Facts About Adoption — Children's Rights

    <1 year — 4 percent
    1-3 years — 26 percent
    4-6 years — 20 percent
    Here are the adoption facts for China:

    Adoption Information from Adoptive Families Magazine: Domestic, International, Foster and Embryo Adoption Resources

    Age/Gender of Children Adopted From China in 2006
    Source: INS Immigration Statistics
    91% Female
    44% under 1 year of age
    52% 1 – 4 years of age
    So, as far as the 1-4 age groups are concerned there is literally a 50-80% overlap between the number of American children waiting for adoption and the children being adopted from China. If your claim held any water, the supply of American children waiting to be adopted would be more than enough to fill in more than half of what is currently being shipped in from China. And yet, 50% of American children waiting to be adopted are the same age as 50% of those being adopted and brought in from China. Why? Well, it's clear:

    People want very specific foreign looking adoptees. They don't want them to look like any visible American demographic. They want their kids to have ties to other countries and they want to be able to tell a story about how they rescued their kids from some hellhole in the developing world. I get that there are parents who probably don't do it for those reason. They really feel the urgency to adopt a kid and they don't care if it isn't their blood. However, when they choose to adopt a 2 year old kid from China when there literally thousands waiting in the US just like her, it's clear to me that there was an exoticism factor involved. It's hard to escape the visible links of white transnational guilt when it comes to a lot of these adoptions. Let's not kid ourselves into believing otherwise.

    Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
    That's because the average wait time they have is anywhere from 2 to 7 years. So the kids grow older while the Chinese adoption business booms.
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