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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    (bold mine).

    Right! A heated argument or an isolated name calling would not in fact live up to harassment, but targeted, ongoing protests against private citizens would.
    Wrong. But good try.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Look at your conduct with me in these several posts. That's harassment.

    May I have you arrested? Sue you in civil court? Got a druthers?
    What you could do is ask a mod if my behavior breaks any of the forum rules (if you're feeling harassed).

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Wrong. But good try.
    Uh, re-read your own definition. You just described the protests. How are they, to use your own words, not an "ongoing pattern" of behavior?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What you could do is ask a mod if my behavior breaks any of the forum rules.
    Cardinal, that has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion.

    I'm leaving this discussion with you. You aren't brave enough to challenge your beliefs. I don't have time for you right now.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with that. I think it's awful. SCOTUS probably thinks it's awful, too. Allowing freedom is not always convenient, warm and fuzzy.
    So true, and protesting is a form of free speech, as long as they aren't violating any laws.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Cardinal, that has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion.

    I'm leaving this discussion with you. You aren't brave enough to challenge your beliefs. I don't have time for you right now.
    You yourself tripped over your own feet by attempting to say the protests were free speech, only when asked went ahead and defined harassment exactly as those protests were performed. It's you who don't want to acknowledge that your idea of what constitutes "free speech" is overly simplistic. Free speech isn't the Okami Code of public behavior, there are restrictions to it (such as the ubiquitous "shouting fire in a crowded theater" example). But, seeing as your time is very important, I will leave you to it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So true, and protesting is a form of free speech, as long as they aren't violating any laws.
    My concern is that by flying under the banner of "protesting" certain people and organizations are also flagrantly committing harassment.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    There is no one size fits all when it comes to just about any human activity. As a believer in freedom and self determination, it would be hypocritical of me not to be also for free speech and I am all for it.
    Now for this particular issue. People are and should be free to protest anywhere at any time and for any reason or cause. I recall a few years back in New York there were "zones" created for protests, of course well away from the main attraction which was one of the political parties' convention. It was a gross violation of free speech. Then again nothing is absolute, and it is a very easy transition from expressing one's position to harassment or becoming a public nuisance or safety hazard. Anticipating or predicting that is impossible and taking precautions only results in infringements on the rights of people. So I say let people protest in front of the clinic or anywhere they can legally and have the protest monitored by law enforcement. If and when the protest or some protesters over step the line let the cops do their jobs.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This is a victory for free speech, but likely will make the abortion debate more contentious.

    Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday unanimously struck down a Massachusetts law that barred protests near abortion clinics.
    The law, enacted in 2007, created 35-foot buffer zones around entrances to abortion clinics. State officials said the law was a response to a history of harassment and violence at abortion clinics in Massachusetts, including a shooting rampage at two facilities in 1994.
    The law was challenged on First Amendment grounds by opponents of abortion who said they sought to have quiet conversations with women entering clinics to tell them about alternatives to abortion.
    The court was unanimous about the bottom line but divided on the reasoning. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote a relatively narrow majority opinion. He was joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. He suggested that the state could pursue other alternatives.
    Justice Antonin Scalia, in a concurrence joined by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy and Clarence Thomas, said the majority’s approach was too tentative. The law, he said, is “unconstitutional root and branch.”
    Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. filed a separate concurrence.

    Not to mention women and doctors being accosted and confronted entering and leaving clinics at their doorsteps, which may get out of hand.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Abortion clinics deserve no more protection than we give our war dead . . . a/k/a SCOTUS ruling of 2011 re Westboro Baptist Church.
    Uhh, not what I was getting at.

    You said maybe it will entice some to pay for the woman's medical expenses. The thing I said is what will happen.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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