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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Actually, this has been known to happen. In my community a home was purchased across the street from the PP clinic to provide pre-natal and also adoption services.
    That is awesome!

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with that. I think it's awful. SCOTUS probably thinks it's awful, too. Allowing freedom is not always convenient, warm and fuzzy.
    Harassment is not freedom of speech. If it is, then harassment is moot.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What is harassment?
    What is against the law harassment?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is against the law harassment?
    I am in fact asking you just that, yes.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Actually, this has been known to happen. In my community a home was purchased across the street from the PP clinic to provide pre-natal and also adoption services.
    An amusing action, if pointless if intended to be a protest to the PP clinic, since pro-choice people have absolutely zilch against both.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Harassment is not freedom of speech. If it is, then harassment is moot.
    Oh, yes it is.

    If I stand outside a health club and call every over-weight person who walks in a fatso, that's harassment. If they're on public property? Perhaps they could be arrested for being a public nuisance. I don't know the nuances of the law, but I do know that the fact we HAVE freedom of speech, the spoken word is responsible for an awful lot of harassment -- and most of it isn't illegal.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Abortion clinics deserve no more protection than we give our war dead . . . a/k/a SCOTUS ruling of 2011 re Westboro Baptist Church.
    That case was a bit different. as it involved a public sidewalk. cematary plots are private plots owned by the family or person that bought them.

    westboror still doesn't have the right to harass people at a funeral in a private ceramony. their right to free speech does not trump someone elses right to privacy and to not be harassed.

    however i haven't heard much from them lately i think they have gone underground.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think citizens deserve better privacy protections.
    Good. You tell that to all the places such as Walmart that allow folks to sit outside and sell flag pins and Girl Scout cookies and whatever. Seeing them annoys me and forces me face being engaged and having to ignore them or say no thanks.

    More seriously, I participated for 15 years--until the closing of this PP clinic, in fact--in silent protest against the abortions being performed there. In all those years, I never said one word, just stood on the sidewalk and prayed. Except for the occasional "sidewalk counselor," I never heard anybody say anything. People would pull into the parking lot, a waiting escort would walk to the car and escort the lady into the building, and that was that.

    No abuse, no rancor, just people standing and praying...and exercising their rights of freedom of assembly and speech.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, yes it is.

    If I stand outside a health club and call every over-weight person who walks in a fatso, that's harassment. If they're on public property? Perhaps they could be arrested for being a public nuisance. I don't know the nuances of the law, but I do know that the fact we HAVE freedom of speech, the spoken word is responsible for an awful lot of harassment -- and most of it isn't illegal.
    you can also be asked to leave for causing a public disturbance. if you don't then you can be arrested.

    you have freedom of speech but it is not unlimited.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I am in fact asking you just that, yes.
    Cardinal, you're holding the ball. You used the term. You define it.

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