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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    What people want are babies. Most of the unadopted in this country are older children.
    I have NEVER heard of an adoptive couple looking for an "exotic" baby. What they all wanted, desperately, was a baby. O

    ne of my friends and her husband tried for over ten years to adopt--did the home studies and all of that. But her father was a Vietnam vet, and even though they had been estranged for many years and my friend had already seized guardianship of her older sister with Down, her father was interviewed. And he always said plainly that he didn't want any "***damned gook" for a grandchild.

    And that was enough to keep my friend from adopting for ten years. Luckily, she and her husband were able to adopt from Korea while the Olympics window of opportunity remained open because they didn't "mind" adopting a boy (this is often more difficult than adopting a girl).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The people who assault usually leave before the cops show up.

    You folks ought to come to my city where the pro lifers step in front of people trying to hinder the ones going into PPH, they also get right up into people's faces too.
    all of that stuff is already illegal and this ruling had 0 effect on those. call the police after you get in the building or before you leave and tell them who is restraining you from
    entering a building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Let's start with the children who are most likely to be adopted:

    Facts About Adoption Children's Rights



    Here are the adoption facts for China:

    Adoption Information from Adoptive Families Magazine: Domestic, International, Foster and Embryo Adoption Resources



    So, as far as the 1-4 age groups are concerned there is literally a 50-80% overlap between the number of American children waiting for adoption and the children being adopted from China. If your claim held any water, the supply of American children waiting to be adopted would be more than enough to fill in more than half of what is currently being shipped in from China. And yet, 50% of American children waiting to be adopted are the same age as 50% of those being adopted and brought in from China. Why? Well, it's clear:

    People want very specific foreign looking adoptees. They don't want them to look like any visible American demographic. They want their kids to have ties to other countries and they want to be able to tell a story about how they rescued their kids from some hellhole in the developing world. I get that there are parents who probably don't do it for those reason. They really feel the urgency to adopt a kid and they don't care if it isn't their blood. However, when they choose to adopt a 2 year old kid from China when there literally thousands waiting in the US just like her, it's clear to me that there was an exoticism factor involved. It's hard to escape the visible links of white transnational guilt when it comes to a lot of these adoptions. Let's not kid ourselves into believing otherwise.



    That's because the average wait time they have is anywhere from 2 to 7 years. So the kids grow older while the Chinese adoption business booms.
    Well, no. You've left out entirely the ritical fact that a large percentage of American children who become available for adoption do so at an older age because of family breakdowns, parental incarceration or death. The reason there are more children available for adoption in the US is because they're in the US. I know several families who adopted abroad, or tried to. All had no US option.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Well, no. You've left out entirely the ritical fact that a large percentage of American children who become available for adoption do so at an older age because of family breakdowns, parental incarceration or death.
    Irrelevant, there is still a 50% overlap in foreign children adopted at the ages of 1-4 and children waiting for adoption in that same age group in the US.

    The reason there are more children available for adoption in the US is because they're in the US.
    What? Try and make sense.

    I know several families who adopted abroad, or tried to. All had no US option.
    Demonstratively false as shown by the actual statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I have NEVER heard of an adoptive couple looking for an "exotic" baby. What they all wanted, desperately, was a baby. O

    ne of my friends and her husband tried for over ten years to adopt--did the home studies and all of that. But her father was a Vietnam vet, and even though they had been estranged for many years and my friend had already seized guardianship of her older sister with Down, her father was interviewed. And he always said plainly that he didn't want any "***damned gook" for a grandchild.

    And that was enough to keep my friend from adopting for ten years. Luckily, she and her husband were able to adopt from Korea while the Olympics window of opportunity remained open because they didn't "mind" adopting a boy (this is often more difficult than adopting a girl).
    When the number of foreign children adopted exceeds the number of American children adopted in all fields, the obvious answer is that people want exotic children. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not really great either. There are 100,000 American children eligible for adoption in the US. 40%50% of them fall in the same category as children adopted from other countries. Coinkidink? Niet. Adoption tourism harms American children. That's the truth of the matter.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Irrelevant, there is still a 50% overlap in foreign children adopted at the ages of 1-4 and children waiting for adoption in that same age group in the US.



    What? Try and make sense.



    Demonstratively false as shown by the actual statistics.
    Demonstrably true.
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    I don't think the pro-abortion crowd should be advocating for gun battles with the anti-abortion crowd? Which side do you think has more guns and knows how to use them?


    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They should just start packin heat. I know a bunch of people crowding around me, shouting at me, might put me in fear for my life.

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    Intimidating isn't assault. Otherwise my penis would be illegal.


    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yes, Exactly ridiculous, which is why I think you missed something here, go back in the thread and read the post/s I responded to.

    I know assault is illegal, but that's what pro lifers do, they attempt to intimidate people going to clinics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Demonstrably true.
    I'll wait for you to demonstrate anything other than anecdotal evidence.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll wait for you to demonstrate anything other than anecdotal evidence.
    No need. You're the one making the challenge.
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