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Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

It seems to me that Assad is about the only person who could manage a stable Syria, that quite a lot of the rebels he is fight is AQ and ISIS in Syria. Assad has used his Air Force to bomb ISIS to help Miliki and the good old USA in Iraq. Just when I thought things could get more confusing in the ME, it does.

Of course president Assad is a stabilising force in Syria, just as Saddam was in Iraq and Gaddafi was in Libya. Quite literally, US foreign policy which clearly transcends presidencies, is to destabilise the ME, or for a very long time our country has been run by complete morons from both parties. Take your pick Pero, but the US (with a little help from our friends) has ****ed the ME all up!
 
The time to help the Syrian rebels has long since passed. It's too late now.

What could you possibly mean by that?? The US and other Western countries have been helping the rebels (read insurgents, al Qaeda, al Nusra, and other terrorist groups) from jump street! Regime change for Syria has been a US foreign policy ambition for at least two decades.
 
Of course president Assad is a stabilising force in Syria, just as Saddam was in Iraq and Gaddafi was in Libya. Quite literally, US foreign policy which clearly transcends presidencies, is to destabilise the ME, or for a very long time our country has been run by complete morons from both parties. Take your pick Pero, but the US (with a little help from our friends) has ****ed the ME all up!

For the record, I was against Libya, against Iraq and for Afghanistan. That is the initial war in Afghanistan, not nation building. It looked like in the original war they took a page out of one of the wars I was in, Laos. Air power with but a very few Americans on the ground letting the locals do the ground fighting. With Afghanistan it worked perfectly as the Northern Alliance was able to drive the Taliban and AQ out of their country. I do not think a single American life was lost up to that point and then this stupid nation building began.

With Iraq, I am almost to the point of just throwing up my hands. The whole situation makes no sense. I am more in favor these days to just let it play out however it plays out and not get involved at all. We are backing Miliki, Iran which we do not want to get nukes and is considered enemies of us is helping Miliki, Assad which we want to overthrow is bombing ISIS and helping us as we try to overthrow him. Our allies, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar are supporting ISIS financially and AQ kicked out ISIS out of their organization and seem, at this point anyway to be willing to help Miliki. Have I about covered this?

Oh, now we want to spend 500 million to arm and train the rebels in Syria among which is ISIS, AQ and a few more to overthrow Assad who is actually helping us out in Iraq and the only hope for a stable Syria. As I told someone last night, please bring back the cold war when it was just us vs. them. That I could handle.
 
This administration's foreign policy is a tragedy of epic proportions for which we, as a country, will be paying possibly the next 100 years. Those people have zero awareness of history, foreign cultures. and myriad other facets of geo-politics; all the while dancing, prancing, and posturing an ego-maniacal vision of their own perfections of how they can make the world the way they believe it should be.

The Presidency is a tough and ugly job; he said he had the answers. Well, maybe he does have answers...if, so they are to very different and the wrong questions.

ARGHH !

Thom Paine

He is still voting 'present' and dispensing the usual bromides. It's surreal, isn't it?

It is a tragedy, but if America was to get a strong leadership for four successive terms I think the country could be turned around. The real problem is there is always that 30 something percent who continue to believe and will vote left no matter how great their foreign and fiscal disasters, and will defend the obvious corruption as well. The left also has the irresponsible MSM.

That's very frustrating for honest people who genuinely want to do the best for their country.
 
Of course president Assad is a stabilising force in Syria, just as Saddam was in Iraq and Gaddafi was in Libya. Quite literally, US foreign policy which clearly transcends presidencies, is to destabilise the ME, or for a very long time our country has been run by complete morons from both parties. Take your pick Pero, but the US (with a little help from our friends) has ****ed the ME all up!



Mornin' Monte :2wave: Well lets not forget the other participants. That would be the Saud and Qatar and the MB. An All Sunni Clerics in the ME. Then AQ and their Likes.

So yes we have contributed and you know I agree with both our parties people in overseas affairs have been played, outwitted, and outthought. Repubs and Demos.
 
Where do they think ISIS got their current weapons? Just the other day I saw a video of ISIS parading around some seized U.S. military vehicles. I mean wtf are these morons in congress smoking? Arm them more?
 
Of course president Assad is a stabilising force in Syria, just as Saddam was in Iraq and Gaddafi was in Libya. Quite literally, US foreign policy which clearly transcends presidencies, is to destabilise the ME, or for a very long time our country has been run by complete morons from both parties. Take your pick Pero, but the US (with a little help from our friends) has ****ed the ME all up!

The more messed up the ME is, the easier to control. At least that is the White House modus operandi it seems.
 
$500 Million to train and equip Al-Queda? What a great idea, Obama! :roll:
 
$500 Million to train and equip Al-Queda? What a great idea, Obama! :roll:

Mornin' Pos. :2wave: Yeah and as soon as he made the announcement......Iran an the Shia in Iraq sounded off. Now they are telling us they don't want our people there.

This makes absolutely no sense at all with the way things are there......None! BO is showing just how much fails at Foreign Affairs. The Dream Ride is over.
 
Wouldn't we be defacto arming the same people we currently want to bomb in Iraq?

Picky, picky! Why did you have to bring that up? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Jack Fabulous. :2wave:
 
Wouldn't we be defacto arming the same people we currently want to bomb in Iraq?

Not immediately. That happens after ISIS bitch slaps the vetted rebels, takes their weapons and cuts their heads off. Then we'll have to bomb them. These things take time.
 
I would rather see that 500 million going towards the mass immigration we have at the southern border.
 
Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama asked Congress Thursday for $500 million to train and arm vetted members of the Syrian opposition, as the U.S. struggles for a way to stem a civil war that has also fueled the al-Qaida inspired insurgency in neighboring Iraq.

The military training program would deepen the Obama administration's involvement in the more than four-year conflict between rebels and forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad. If approved by Congress, the program would supplement a covert train-and-assistance program run by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The Syria program is part of a broader $65.8 billion overseas operations request that the administration sent to Congress Thursday. The package includes $1 billion to help stabilize nations bordering Syria that are struggling with the effects of the civil war. It also formalizes a request for a previously announced $1 billion to strengthen the U.S. military presence in Central and Eastern Europe amid Russia's threatening moves in Ukraine.

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WTH? He really doesn't have a clue.

When has training and arming rebels ever really worked out for us? More times than not it backfires.
 
Not immediately. That happens after ISIS bitch slaps the vetted rebels, takes their weapons and cuts their heads off. Then we'll have to bomb them. These things take time.



Mornin' HB. :2wave: This is ridiculous with whats going on in Iraq and Syria. Is he just trying to deflect to say he sent something to Congress and that he is following the protocols?
 
Jeez.

From now on there should be an end-of-Presidency vote by the country.

If 50% think he/she did less harm then good...he/she leaves office without penalty.

If 50-75% think he/she did more harm then good...he/she forfeits all their wealth and stays under house arrest for 20 years.

If more then 75% think he/she did more harm then good...they throw them in jail for life.


I am obviously not serious...but I am sick and tired of POTUS's ****ing up everyone and everything with zero negative ramifications when they are through.

There needs to be more accountability and responsibility...if they consistently mess up, they should be punished.

They don't like it...don't take the job.
 
Mornin' HB. :2wave: This is ridiculous with whats going on in Iraq and Syria. Is he just trying to deflect to say he sent something to Congress and that he is following the protocols?

It is ridiculous. I honestly think it's Obama's attempt to make people believe he actually has a coherent foreign policy rather than just doing stuff on the fly. This is incoherent, though, so it's a big fail. If we truly wanted to make a difference in this mess, it should've been done years ago. Now we're just pouring gas on the flames.
 
Mornin' Monte :2wave: Well lets not forget the other participants. That would be the Saud and Qatar and the MB. An All Sunni Clerics in the ME. Then AQ and their Likes.

So yes we have contributed and you know I agree with both our parties people in overseas affairs have been played, outwitted, and outthought. Repubs and Demos.

Howdy MMC!!, I agree, there are more participants than I mentioned, I'm not certain that the ME destabilisation that has occurred at the behest of both parties is unintentional or complete incompetence. Gen. Wesley Clarke has been criticised by the right for pointing out that the Pentagon had plans ready for regime change in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria and two or three others. Several Bush and Blair administration officials have subsequently pointed out matter of fact, that it was for the purpose of stabilising oil supply/price, no accidents here.
 
Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama asked Congress Thursday for $500 million to train and arm vetted members of the Syrian opposition, as the U.S. struggles for a way to stem a civil war that has also fueled the al-Qaida inspired insurgency in neighboring Iraq.

The military training program would deepen the Obama administration's involvement in the more than four-year conflict between rebels and forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad. If approved by Congress, the program would supplement a covert train-and-assistance program run by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The Syria program is part of a broader $65.8 billion overseas operations request that the administration sent to Congress Thursday. The package includes $1 billion to help stabilize nations bordering Syria that are struggling with the effects of the civil war. It also formalizes a request for a previously announced $1 billion to strengthen the U.S. military presence in Central and Eastern Europe amid Russia's threatening moves in Ukraine.

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WTH? He really doesn't have a clue.



Hah, good timing POTUS! :bravo:
 
The more messed up the ME is, the easier to control. At least that is the White House modus operandi it seems.

Order out of chaos, a very VERY old political strategy. A strong, united and allied ME is good for the ME and bad for Western big oil.
 
Mornin' HB. :2wave: This is ridiculous with whats going on in Iraq and Syria. Is he just trying to deflect to say he sent something to Congress and that he is following the protocols?

Oh absolutely yes! We all know he is a stickler for following protocol, down to the last dotted "i" and crossed "t". It's so important for a leader to set the tone for his administration for all to copy - which they do - don't you agree? :spin:

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
 
It is ridiculous. I honestly think it's Obama's attempt to make people believe he actually has a coherent foreign policy rather than just doing stuff on the fly. This is incoherent, though, so it's a big fail. If we truly wanted to make a difference in this mess, it should've been done years ago. Now we're just pouring gas on the flames.


This is something Hillarys Book alludes to.....That BO just Wings it. Which is clearly being seen here. Moreover I have up a bit of material on all the players. Have you heard anything that is criticizing this decision from someone who lets say..... is someone that analyzes FP?
 
The more messed up the ME is, the easier to control. At least that is the White House modus operandi it seems.

Lt. Gen William Odom, director of the NSA under Reagan had this to say,

"Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world."

And, in a desert base in Nevada,

It was here that the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) conducted training, beginning in 2005, for members of the Mujahideen-e-Khalq, a dissident Iranian opposition group known in the West as the M.E.K. The M.E.K. had its beginnings as a Marxist-Islamist student-led group and, in the nineteen-seventies, it was linked to the assassination of six American citizens.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/04/mek.html
 
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So, US foreign policy, arming, training and using terrorist groups far predates Obama. But the partisans on both sides only point a finger at the other side. Pathetic.
 
This is something Hillarys Book alludes to.....That BO just Wings it. Which is clearly being seen here. Moreover I have up a bit of material on all the players. Have you heard anything that is criticizing this decision from someone who lets say..... is someone that analyzes FP?

No, I haven't, really. I read Krauthammer's comments, but I've sort of been waiting for it to be shot down in Congress. Understand, it's my view that if it doesn't affect domestic politics, Obama isn't interested. So I think it's largely a show to give Obama cover to do nothing. This might be a rare case in which he's correct in spite of himself. I don't know.
 
Howdy MMC!!, I agree, there are more participants than I mentioned, I'm not certain that the ME destabilisation that has occurred at the behest of both parties is unintentional or complete incompetence. Gen. Wesley Clarke has been criticised by the right for pointing out that the Pentagon had plans ready for regime change in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria and two or three others. Several Bush and Blair administration officials have subsequently pointed out matter of fact, that it was for the purpose of stabilising oil supply/price, no accidents here.



It seems to have been going down this road for the last 20 years with our people. To much into living off the camera and getting facetime. Revelin in all the pomp and ceremony with each and every visit. Taking in all the so called meaningful compliments and living off that type of BS. Ego and I am somebody.

Have you seen any gains against these terrorists? al Nusra has reached the Golan Heights. What do you think their next phase will be? I don't think any can miss it.

Now under BO.....terrorism has grown, expanded, and morphed. Look how the Ansar al Sharia groups started. From Yemen and moved west and back home to Africa. Now they are springing up all over the place. The kicker is.....some of them are just like charitable organizations. No fighters and not about the violence. New confusion to the mix of things.

Its all moving westward.
 
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