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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    [QUOTE=Jredbaron96;1063456986]There was a point where in the Syrian Civil War where large scale intervention, including military assistance with US assets was feasible. But now the FSA, the Syrians we could've sided with and actually gotten a democratic, somewhat western friendly nation out of have either been killed off or reduced in power.


    Well, first of all, aid in the form of CIA training camps in both Jordan and Turkey as well as small arms and intell was there from the beginning, and has not wavered, Obama is asking for money to continue this. Secondly, as to overt military intervention, you should recall that Obama tried that as well. Having dispatched Hillary Clinton on three occasions to the UN to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria. All three times she returned empty handed. This of course was due to both China and Russia vetoing all requests. And they did so because of the US/West having abused the resolution for use of force in Libya. The use of force in Libya was authorised to protect civilians, not regime change, which the Russians criticised from the start of the air strikes stating that the targeting was consistent with regime change, and not the protection of civilians!!

    In addition to Obama failing to secure UN authorisation for the use of force in Syria, the UK pulled its support for military intervention, Obama couldn't get congressional approval at home, and!! 70% of Americans were against military intervention in Syria! So...........I suppose Obama could have been a belligerent and ordered our military in anyway, I'm sure the hawks would have loved that, but cooler heads did prevail in that instance at least.

    In addition to all that, president Assad was the stabilising (albeit imperfect of course) force in Syria that Saddam Hussein was in Iraq that Gaddafi was in Libya. We have managed to kick the legs out from under all three of those countries, and all three of them are in serious trouble. Had president Assad been left alone at the beginning, he would have crushed the rebellion in its infancy and we wouldn't be talking about this. Instead, the US fanned the flames, provided early support breathing life enough into the insurgency until recruits could arrive from neighbouring countries and in due time president Assad's own war on terror has strung out over three years with 150,000 dead civilians as a result.

    China and Russia, for their part, both correctly predicted that US interference in Syria would cause that conflict to spread throughout the region, which is precisely what we are seeing today.
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Do you get the impression that BO likes being in the middle? I do.
    If Congress had any sense they would send him a Card with their response back.....Asking him if he was trying to be funny or serious.

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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    If Congress had any sense they would send him a Card with their response back.....Asking him if he was trying to be funny or serious.
    Good Yoke!
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with this caveat, terrorism expanded under Bush as well when we took a fight to Afghanistan and Iraq, Iraq particularly not connected to OBL, al Qaeda or 9/11. One of the stated purposes of the 9/11 attacks was US presence in the region. Bush hugely expanded that and provided the motivation for recruits. I'm not deflecting from your criticism of Obama, I agree with it, however what I'm suggesting to you is that presidents come and go, while US foreign policy remains largely consistent. Whether our diplomats are dispatched to make peace or war, it will be on the merits of what's good for big business who rules the day. And that for a very long time now. You recall the oligarch in the late 1800's who stated (and I paraphrase, I'm sure), give me control of a nations finances and I care not who makes the laws. Which is to say, big money makes the laws, sets policy. This micro perspective of party finger pointing misses the big picture. But one can't reason with the partisan, to him, its always the other parties fault, very discouraging MMC.


    One of the Stated Purposes by who? As terrorism ran rampant with the Clinton Administration, anything after that was playing catch up. That's not to say Bush isn't guilty either.

    I agree with the Diplomats and Ambassadors that are sent. Official and Unofficial. But there is no way to get around whats BO's FP is doing and never was accomplishing.

    I have never seen such sheer incompetence and with all that he has been doing to the military its stretched thin. There are only 4 Combat Brigades ready for anything at the moment. This just cannot make the grade and cover whats happening out there. From the Asian Pacific......Russia and the Ukraine.....Africa and Libya......then here!

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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    One of the Stated Purposes by who? As terrorism ran rampant with the Clinton Administration, anything after that was playing catch up. That's not to say Bush isn't guilty either.

    I agree with the Diplomats and Ambassadors that are sent. Official and Unofficial. But there is no way to get around whats BO's FP is doing and never was accomplishing.

    I have never seen such sheer incompetence and with all that he has been doing to the military its stretched thin. There are only 4 Combat Brigades ready for anything at the moment. This just cannot make the grade and cover whats happening out there. From the Asian Pacific......Russia and the Ukraine.....Africa and Libya......then here!
    I appreciate your position, but respectfully reassert, US foreign policy is influenced by big business and what benifits big business, while the Bush's, Reagan's, Clintons and Obama's come and go. When you speak in terms of what's in the best interests of the citizens of the Middle East, indeed, US foreign policy in the region under obama is a disaster, however, when you consider the interests of the citizens of the ME, US foreign policy under Bush was a disaster. There is no respect for partisan politics and patting Bush on the back while slapping Obama in the face solves nothing. They both have projected disastrous policies in the ME. How will we ever see improvement like this??
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    One of the Stated Purposes by who? As terrorism ran rampant with the Clinton Administration, anything after that was playing catch up. That's not to say Bush isn't guilty either.

    I agree with the Diplomats and Ambassadors that are sent. Official and Unofficial. But there is no way to get around whats BO's FP is doing and never was accomplishing.

    I have never seen such sheer incompetence and with all that he has been doing to the military its stretched thin. There are only 4 Combat Brigades ready for anything at the moment. This just cannot make the grade and cover whats happening out there. From the Asian Pacific......Russia and the Ukraine.....Africa and Libya......then here!
    Here ya go, the reasons why "THEY" hate us, and for the 9/11 attacks. NOTE, you won't see anything about our values, freedoms, morals or any other such bull****!!!

    The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were an organized terrorist act carried out by 19 hijackers, and organized by numerous members of al-Qaeda. Motives for the attacks were stated before and after the attacks in several sources, Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a fatwā signed by bin Laden and others calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998, are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[2]

    In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.[9]

    Motives for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I appreciate your position, but respectfully reassert, US foreign policy is influenced by big business and what benifits big business, while the Bush's, Reagan's, Clintons and Obama's come and go. When you speak in terms of what's in the best interests of the citizens of the Middle East, indeed, US foreign policy in the region under obama is a disaster, however, when you consider the interests of the citizens of the ME, US foreign policy under Bush was a disaster. There is no respect for partisan politics and patting Bush on the back while slapping Obama in the face solves nothing. They both have projected disastrous policies in the ME. How will we ever see improvement like this??


    Well really Monte.....The US, and Western nations concepts don't come into being other than thru those in the ME.. Yes business and money is the name of the game. That's a given. But no matter who from outside the ME came into to wheel and deal. It didn't matter. Never did......it was just a means for those in the ME to play off of. Especially the Sunni and the Saud. As Nothing else came before their grand design. Same for the Shia other than the fact of being subjugated and dominated by the Sunni.


    That piece on the Terrorists was recent and so it validates them working together despite any disagreement. Which they have been for some time.

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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well really Monte.....The US, and Western nations concepts don't come into being other than thru those in the ME.. Yes business and money is the name of the game. That's a given. But no matter who from outside the ME came into to wheel and deal. It didn't matter. Never did......it was just a means for those in the ME to play off of. Especially the Sunni and the Saud. As Nothing else came before their grand design. Same for the Shia other than the fact of being subjugated and dominated by the Sunni.


    That piece on the Terrorists was recent and so it validates them working together despite any disagreement. Which they have been for some time.
    Not certain I understand your point there bud?
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    If Iraq falls, I hope the Kurds manage to cut their own country out of it.
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    Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not certain I understand your point there bud?
    That US and European's influence has always been secondary for those whom I Pointed out. They would have done this with any. Even those in the East.

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