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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't speak to food, that's small potatoes!

    Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/po...pagewanted=all
    No no... let's stay apples to apples (no pun intended).

    So what normal every day item did Bush deny the American public (like size of Soda and salt in public restaurants) for our own good?

    Oh wait... there weren't any.



    Where in the NY Times article is Bush quoted that this is all for our own good? Bloomberg said that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Bloomberg
    “With so many poor neighborhoods suffering the worst of this epidemic…It would be irresponsible not to try to do everything we can to save lives,” Bloomberg said.
    Michael Bloomberg: Poor People Need Soda Ban Because They Can't 'Take Care Of Themselves'



    But let's play.



    I would have no problem striking down the Patriot Act Provisions. Bush over stepped his authority in signing an executive order with that expansion in 2005. Yet, Obama extended the Patriot Act in 2011. Obama approves extension of expiring Patriot Act provisions - CNN.com

    Then expanded the NSA's reach ...
    Surveillance program is now Obama's to own - CNN.com

    Oops...


    As candidate Obama in 2007 he said:
    "This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance civil liberties. It is not," Obama said during a speech in 2007. "There are no shortcuts to protecting America."[/quote]

    "This administration"
    was the Bush Administration.

    In 2014, he not only kept the NSA spying program Bush started but GREW it.

    Quote Originally Posted by WashingtonPost
    President Obama said Friday, in his first major speech on electronic surveillance, that “the United States is not spying on ordinary people who don’t threaten our national security.”

    Obama placed restrictions on access to domestic phone records collected by the National Security Agency, but the changes he announced will allow it to continue — or expand — the collection of personal data from billions of people around the world, Americans and foreign citizens alike.
    Obama


    You want me to point out hypocrisy wherever I see it huh? I see a whole lot of it and it's oozing from your post.

    You still want to continue?
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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No no... let's stay apples to apples (no pun intended).

    So what normal every day item did Bush deny the American public (like size of Soda and salt in public restaurants) for our own good?

    Oh wait... there weren't any.



    Where in the NY Times article is Bush quoted that this is all for our own good? Bloomberg said that:



    Michael Bloomberg: Poor People Need Soda Ban Because They Can't 'Take Care Of Themselves'



    But let's play.



    I would have no problem striking down the Patriot Act Provisions. Bush over stepped his authority in signing an executive order with that expansion in 2005. Yet, Obama extended the Patriot Act in 2011. Obama approves extension of expiring Patriot Act provisions - CNN.com

    Then expanded the NSA's reach ...
    Surveillance program is now Obama's to own - CNN.com

    Oops...


    As candidate Obama in 2007 he said:
    "This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance civil liberties. It is not," Obama said during a speech in 2007. "There are no shortcuts to protecting America."
    [




    But I agree with you about Obama, why post all of that for me. OBAMA SUCKS, and so did Bush, and in this thread I gave you only one reason. But there's plenty of ways Bush policies were an attack on civil liberties and as a defender of Bush, you become part of the problem and an enemy to liberty and America.
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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

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    But I agree with you about Obama, why post all of that for me. OBAMA SUCKS, and so did Bush, and in this thread I gave you only one reason. But there's plenty of ways Bush policies were an attack on civil liberties and as a defender of Bush, you become part of the problem and an enemy to liberty and America.
    So Bush didn't use his executive power to limit what people ate or drank for their own good. He also never claimed that the Patriot Act powers he exercised were for our own good but claimed it as a national security issue. Different yes, but still over extending his power. Then we have Obama who not only continues using those over extended powers but expands them.

    Here's another hypocrisy. Those on the left during Bush who opposed the Patriot Act, like Wasserman, Waxman et.al. (link here) as well as the demonstrations and marches across the country claiming Bush was a dictator, the nasty signs, Bush pictured as Hitler, etc... didn't seem to have the same effect when Obama pushed for it's extension. The Senate Democrats voted primarily against the Patriot Act in 2005 52-47 vote, yet when Obama extends it, the Senate vote amazingly is 72-23.

    The difference here? The difference is no one is paying attention. The only time anyone pays attention in the US is when Republicans are hypocrites. Democrats, the media, newspapers, the protest groups which seems to sprout up new branches daily - they all have a field day. When a Democrat does it? No media coverage, maybe a few opinion page items about it in the papers, and what protest groups? It's the same Patriot Act. It's the same totalitarianism and dictatorship. It's only fascism when a Republican is in charge.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Granted, that would be a responsible thing to do but then, someone's going to have to watch me 24x7x365 and count the donuts. Who's doing that? Theoretically I get where this is going but putting it into practice isn't very realistic.



    Until full on socialism and government single payer is in full swing, we'll just have to buck up and deal with those radicals eating donuts. To celebrate I'm headed off to the bakery to get some of these...

    At the local food fair yesterday my friend ate a Krispery Kreme Donut burger. I was thinking were is the government at to stop this.

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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Amazing how those republicans are always trying to restrict liberty. Oops, Bloomberg was a democrat, sorry.
    Actually, Bloomberg was an independent this time around, but he's been both a Democrat and a Republican in the past. Nice try.

    That said, I thought the soda ban was pants-on-head stupid.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Glad the badn is lifted.... Bloomberg was the WORST Left-Winged nanny state nutjob we've had running a big blue city in a while (Sorry Rahm.... you are gonna have to be runner-up). Glad SCONY (Supreme Court of New York) did a good job overturning this ruling although I have a question... what would have stopped me from buying a giant re-usable to-go container and then just filling it up with multiple sodas?
    I don't think the ban applied to big giant 7-11 cups. Just concessionaires and restaurants, etc. Even then nothing to stop you from ordering two at a time.

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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    I like how right-wingers keep trying to pin the soda ban on liberals when I've never seen a single liberal express support for the idea.
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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So Bush didn't use his executive power to limit what people ate or drank for their own good. He also never claimed that the Patriot Act powers he exercised were for our own good but claimed it as a national security issue. Different yes, but still over extending his power. Then we have Obama who not only continues using those over extended powers but expands them.

    Here's another hypocrisy. Those on the left during Bush who opposed the Patriot Act, like Wasserman, Waxman et.al. (link here) as well as the demonstrations and marches across the country claiming Bush was a dictator, the nasty signs, Bush pictured as Hitler, etc... didn't seem to have the same effect when Obama pushed for it's extension. The Senate Democrats voted primarily against the Patriot Act in 2005 52-47 vote, yet when Obama extends it, the Senate vote amazingly is 72-23.

    The difference here? The difference is no one is paying attention. The only time anyone pays attention in the US is when Republicans are hypocrites. Democrats, the media, newspapers, the protest groups which seems to sprout up new branches daily - they all have a field day. When a Democrat does it? No media coverage, maybe a few opinion page items about it in the papers, and what protest groups? It's the same Patriot Act. It's the same totalitarianism and dictatorship. It's only fascism when a Republican is in charge.
    Your not going to get me to defend Obama's executive overreach. I'm not an apologist for the Democratic Party. I view both parties as injurious to American civil liberties.
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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Actually, Bloomberg was an independent this time around, but he's been both a Democrat and a Republican in the past. Nice try.

    That said, I thought the soda ban was pants-on-head stupid.
    Bloomberg is a conservative, make no mistake. And I didn't support the soda ban, why would you think I did?
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    Re: Court won't reinstate New York City's big-soda ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bloomberg is a conservative, make no mistake.
    Ehhh ... I don't think he is. I don't particularly think he's a liberal either. He strikes me as being an authoritarian centrist, if that makes any sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I didn't support the soda ban, why would you think I did?
    I wasn't intending to imply you did.
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