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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power



    In my opinion, this is just the beginning of Obama being taken to task for sidestepping Congress and stepping over and/or on the Constitution by redefining the power of the Executive Branch to meet his political agenda.

    The Constitution matters. And, to put it bluntly, if it ain't in there it ain't legal.
    Agreed, but as I type this, he's trying to legalize 50,000+ illegal immigrants.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If this is true of Obama:

    Then the same is true of Bush. Had had just as many or more recess appointments to the NLRB.
    Did you actually research this case at all?

    This wasn't about "recess appointments" themselves being legal or not. It was whether or not the President could simply declare that the Congress was in recess when the Congress itself declared that it was not.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I get that hey were technically still in session.
    And thus it was unconstitutional. Everything else is just quibbling. You can complain about the method congress technically stayed in session; that's legitimate. But Obama disliking that they were using a "loophole" as you describe it doesn't give him the ability to violate the constitution.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    it is funny SCOTUS ruled correctly but the Senate was acting in bad faith. The do nothing Congress is just something you can get until we change the Constitution or the way we elect them.
    The Senate was acting as intended by the Founders. Checks against use of power like this are built into our system of government.

    You'll appreciate this more when in a couple of years a Republican is elected President.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, and the president picked this fight because their being "in session" was a sham, and everybody knows it.
    Apparently "everybody" isn't the SCOTUS. Because per their decision them being "in session" wasn't a sham, it was fact.

    It may've been in name only, it may've been on a technically, but it was GENUINELY "in session" as it relates to the relevance of recess apppointments.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did you actually research this case at all?

    This wasn't about "recess appointments" themselves being legal or not. It was whether or not the President could simply declare that the Congress was in recess when the Congress itself declared that it was not.
    Clearly that was too much, but let's not pretend that previous presidents (including republicans) have not made extensive use of recess appointments to the NLRB (circumventing procedure), even after congress stopped using the horse and carriage.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    again the facts make the right wing go crazy.
    The only complaining I'm reading in this thread is coming from the left wing, so what facts would that be? That Obama broke the law? That Obama acted in contradiction to the Constitution? Because that's what ALL NINE Justices concluded. Even the two appointed by Obama.

    He isn't the first President to do so (although he is the first to declare the Senate in recess). But, in regard to "Recess Appointments" he will be the last.

    This case is just the beginning of the multiple cases demanding that the Executive Branch, regardless of which party holds it, comply with and stay within the restrictive powers of the Constitution. And that, I am glad to finally see coming to pass.

    The US House of Representatives is where the power of the people the power of the purse and legislative power resides. The Senate has restrictive powers over the Executive through "Advise and Consent" as well as legislative power as well.

    The Executive Branch has been grabbing more and more power over the last 100 years; however, Obama has taken it to an all new extreme with legislating by royal fiat (executive orders that legislate new law or nullify existing law). I'm not talking about his other EO's, just the ones I referred to in the previous sentence.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And when the same trick is used on YOUR guy?
    No President has ever declared the Senate to be in recess against the Senate's wishes to appoint someone before, and if a Republican does it then it will be just as wrong or worse.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    again the facts make the right wing go crazy.
    In this case, the facts make the right wing applaud. The left being crazy is a given.
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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Agreed, but as I type this, he's trying to legalize 50,000+ illegal immigrants.
    And, the lawsuit by the US House should take care of that. He doesn't have that Constitutional power either.

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