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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The replacement for jay carney said they are studying it. What I want to know is what this ruling does to all the FLRB made while these illegal members were apart of it. You hear anything?
    I haven't had a chance to watch any of the propoganda sessions today but I will. Thanks for letting me know!

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But did not circumvent RECESS APPOINTMENT PROCESSES...he circumvented the normal appointment process BY recess appointing people during times when the congress was in recess. Something that has been done for decades.

    That is ENTIRELY UNLIKE Obama who circumvented not only the normal appointment process, but the recess appointment process as well, by declaring congress in recess when it was not in recess.

    No, they are not alike. One was a long standing constitutional action that has been perpetrated by multiple presidents (including Obama) and is routinely not challenged any longer in court.

    One was an unprecedented instance circumventing all previous standing by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH declaring that Congress was in recess and taking action based on that declaration, despite congresses assertion of ITS OWN STATUS as being "in session".
    There were two changes under Obama. The first was the Senate refused to ever go in recess, and appointed someone to show up each day for a couple of minutes to keep it in recess so that Obama could NOT do what Presidents had done forever, which was make recess appointments. When that happened, and the GOP essentially promised to not approve anyone for the NLRB, Obama took another step to treat the 'sessions' as a sham. The black robes said that's not allowed, which is fine.

    So now the ability of Senators to block appointments will have to go away unless they can muster 51 votes. Ultimately it should have the effect of reducing the power of the minority to provide the checks that filibusters of nominees used to serve.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I haven't had a chance to watch any of the propoganda sessions today but I will. Thanks for letting me know!
    Personally I do not think there is anything to study. It is quite clear their appointments were illegal or unconstitutional. But what about all the rulings since their appointments, especially the ones in where they were the deciding votes?
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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Personally I do not think there is anything to study. It is quite clear their appointments were illegal or unconstitutional. But what about all the rulings since their appointments, especially the ones in where they were the deciding votes?
    Interesting question, pero. There probably isn't anything that can be done at this point, is there?

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If this is true of Obama:



    Then the same is true of Bush. Had had just as many or more recess appointments to the NLRB.
    Think this SCOTUS decision will affect Bush or Obama?
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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If this is true of Obama:



    Then the same is true of Bush. Had had just as many or more recess appointments to the NLRB.
    There is a difference. under bush the senate and the house were official out of session. when obama appointed the members to his labor board the senate was not out of session they were in fact in session.

    the president still has the ability to address recessed appointment but only if the congress is truely out of session and recessed.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Think this SCOTUS decision will affect Bush or Obama?
    It affects Obama. What would be justice is to see the Democrats hold onto the Senate, blow up the filibuster of nominees with a simple rule change, and then watch Obama jam through a few hundred judicial and executive branch nominees with GOPers sitting around powerless to do anything about it because they decided to abuse the process.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    The Senate will never be out of session and recessed again, unless we have one-party rule.
    This is another gift from filibuster McConnell .
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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There were two changes under Obama. The first was the Senate refused to ever go in recess, and appointed someone to show up each day for a couple of minutes to keep it in recess so that Obama could NOT do what Presidents had done forever, which was make recess appointments.
    Which is definitely a tactic that is reasonable for someone to criticize. But it doesn't excuse acting unconstitutionally.

    When that happened, and the GOP essentially promised to not approve anyone for the NLRB, Obama took another step to treat the 'sessions' as a sham.
    Which he could not constitutionally do...as was claimed at the time, and has now been backed up by the SCOTUS. Obama getting pissy about the Republicans doing something jerky, BUT CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL, does not entitle him to be able to just declare it a "Sham" and decree the congress not in session.

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    Re: Supreme Court rules against Obama over appointment power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It affects Obama. What would be justice is to see the Democrats hold onto the Senate, blow up the filibuster of nominees with a simple rule change, and then watch Obama jam through a few hundred judicial and executive branch nominees with GOPers sitting around powerless to do anything about it because they decided to abuse the process.
    I see history repeating itself.
    Clinton's judicials were filibustered in his 2nd term.
    Then McConnell cried for a "straight-up-or-down" vote or I'll nuke the Senate, so Bush got his judicials voted on.

    Now Obama was getting filibustered by Sen. give-em-a-straight-up-or-down vote McConnell at record rates.
    Obama simply couldn't wait to get the Nation's business done, in his opinion, for the NLRB.
    Too bad he didn't wait until Sen. Reid's nuclear option, rendering this court opinion mute .
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