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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Equal protection is enumerated in the constitution, therefore the will of the people and the states are subject to it.
    Oh good, that means all 50 states have to honor my SD pistol permit.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'm not going to play. The text of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers are a click away if you want to gain some understanding.
    It's a fair question. Aren't you concerned that every single time this goes to court bans against ssm are shot down? Even accounting for the dreaded "activist" judge, if bans against ssm are not, in fact unconstitutional, then even you have to admit that this defies the laws of odds. Maybe, you know...you just don't really understand what this whole Constitution thing is about and how it works?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh good, that means all 50 states have to honor my SD pistol permit.
    Remember the part where I said it's not a blanket right to overturn any perceived inequality?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, NOT what I said. State law defines what constitutes a legal marriage in the state. The State Constitution affirms that right.
    Well, no. You specifically said it was written into State Constitutions.

    I believe there was a precedent set here with, say Jim Crow laws.

    The state had them, the judicial system said they were not Constitutional, and they changed with no Constitutional amendment.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    I guess, in the end, some people are just afraid of the precedent of a court expanding individual liberty. That's fair, clownboy. We can agree to disagree.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Remember the part where I said it's not a blanket right to overturn any perceived inequality?
    No, and I dont agree with that anyway.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You can keep the false comparisons to Jim Crow laws, and women's suffrage was the will of the people. And no, it's not, just like abortion has nothing to do with constitutional privacy rights, because they just don't exist. It's social engineering by court decision plain and simple. You're cheering that a few robed fellows can change law, constitution and society without involving that old pesky will of the people thing.
    And so is SSM the will of the people.

    There were pockets of ignorant people who objected to those other civil rights movements as well.....the federal govt had to step in to make sure that both groups were treated equally under the law...they did not allow the ignorant to continue to deny them.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely, and in the case of homosexual marriage the states and the people have spoken. According to the US Constitution, the rights not enumerated fall to, the people and the states. And since marriage is not an enumerated right in the US Constitution, the states and the people decide.
    Equal protection under the law and a clear discrimination against gender in contracts. Sorry but gender is clearly an area where the Constitution supports equality.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Another cut in the death of a thousand cuts to the US Constitution. Want to legalize homosexual marriage? Amend the Constitution to make it a right to marry instead of getting there through the backdoor and amending through judicial fiat. THEN the 14th would apply and you'd have made the constitution and the country a stronger place.

    Stop amending the text of the US Constitution through judicial decision.
    We're not amending anything. We're just applying what's there correctly and not denying Americans what they are entitled to. It is already unConstitutional to deny them and the judicial system is just recognizing that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely, and in the case of homosexual marriage the states and the people have spoken. According to the US Constitution, the rights not enumerated fall to, the people and the states. And since marriage is not an enumerated right in the US Constitution, the states and the people decide.
    Even if that were the case and it was not a clear discriminatory case of civil rights, to deny gays marriage the states would have to show that SSM is not in the best interests of the state.

    WHat exactly would they base that on? There is harm to the state or anyone in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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