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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

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    ...it's supreme law of the land, dude.
    You mean the will of the nine folks in black robes. Hmmm, sounds familiar.

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    ...I can't help but notice that you didn't actually name anything.

    Not one actual negative impact on any person's life.
    I certainly did. Though it's telling that you fail to recognize damaging the Constitution negatively impacts all our lives. Even when one side effect may benefit our cause, we lose in other ways.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Until this current attempt to skirt constitutional process, marriage was written into every STATE constitution. A right the people granted themselves that is not enumerated by the US Constitution.
    So you mean my state constitution specifically defines marriage is between a man and a woman? And the other 49 as well?

    Can you actually cite this as fact, because I don't see a definition at all in the ILlinois constitution.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Out of curiosity, what in your own words is the Constitution of the United States?
    I'm not going to play. The text of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers are a click away if you want to gain some understanding.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, no, it's not just between two people. If that were the case this discussion would not be happening. If it were as you say, any two people could say they were married, like going steady in school. There is a license and a relationship with the state who adopted old common law through the 9th and the 10th.

    As to that last, how you get there matters too. You changed it, but broke it more in the process.
    14th applies to all laws, not just rights specifically enumerated in the constitution. And no, this does not open up blanket claim to any perceived inequality as much as many absolutists like to claim. That isn't how it works.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So you mean my state constitution specifically defines marriage is between a man and a woman? And the other 49 as well?

    Can you actually cite this as fact, because I don't see a definition at all in the ILlinois constitution.
    Once again, NOT what I said. State law defines what constitutes a legal marriage in the state. The State Constitution affirms that right.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

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    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Equal rights only for select groups are not equal rights.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    14th applies to all laws, not just rights specifically enumerated in the constitution. And no, this does not open up blanket claim to any perceived inequality as much as many absolutists like to claim. That isn't how it works.
    This is wholly outside the purpose and original meaning of Section 1 of the 14th. In software development they call it feature creep. In government it's called judicial amendment to the constitution.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

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    Are there any rational people who oppose this anymore?
    That's a funny question since you would automatically label anyone who opposed SSM as being irrational.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, NOT what I said. State law defines what constitutes a legal marriage in the state. The State Constitution affirms that right.
    nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Which laws do you think are exempt?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Something something TRADITION something something INSTITUTION
    More like "something something government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all something something 'marriage' is a religious thing and so the 1st Amendment prevent the government from licensing it something something clergy having power to solemnize a municipal marriage license is the giving of government power to the church and thus violates the wall of separation something something".
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