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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The United States is, not are. The states don't get the rights to themselves. The people, as in individuals, are included in that one too. In fact, they were limited by the 14th Amendment in that capacity. There was this little "skirmish" about a century and a half ago called the Civil War. It led to much less power in the hands of the states because the states just become smaller "tyrannies of the majority" or "little theocracies" if not kept in check by the federal government.
    Precisely, and in the case of homosexual marriage the states and the people have spoken. According to the US Constitution, the rights not enumerated fall to, the people and the states. And since marriage is not an enumerated right in the US Constitution, the states and the people decide.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think heterosexual marriage is in the Constitution.

    I wonder if my marriage is Constitutional? Maybe clown boy can help answer this conundrum...
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it doesn't. That certainly wasn't the intent. The "others retained by the people" refers to what, precisely which rights, and who decides which rights? Care to guess the framer's answer? The PEOPLE. That's right at a local and state level. That's how it worked. Until a couple black robes decided to play with amend by decision. The people lose every time that's done.
    You can argue it all you want, but that is how its been working for awhile and the majority believe it should work that way. We like getting more rights rather than having others restrict our rights simply because they are in the majority.

    Marriage is not at a state or local level. It is at a personal level. It is between the two people involved. Other people's only interest in marriage should be in protecting people from getting screwed over by others to the best of their ability. You can set reasonable restrictions, just like with any law. The 14th though applies to all laws, state and federal, even local.

    Don't like it, get support enough to change it. I doubt it will happen.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely, and in the case of homosexual marriage the states and the people have spoken. According to the US Constitution, the rights not enumerated fall to, the people and the states. And since marriage is not an enumerated right in the US Constitution, the states and the people decide.
    The people spoke when it came to interracial marriage too and segregation. How will did that work out for them?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It doesn't, but apparently it bothers you and your crowd. So much so you labor to change it through judicial fiat rather than use constitutional methods.
    ...it's supreme law of the land, dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Another cut in the death of a thousand cuts to the US Constitution. Want to legalize homosexual marriage? Amend the Constitution to make it a right to marry instead of getting there through the backdoor and amending through judicial fiat. THEN the 14th would apply and you'd have made the constitution and the country a stronger place.

    Stop amending the text of the US Constitution through judicial decision.
    I can't help but notice that you didn't actually name anything.

    Not one actual negative impact on any person's life.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely, and in the case of homosexual marriage the states and the people have spoken. According to the US Constitution, the rights not enumerated fall to, the people and the states. And since marriage is not an enumerated right in the US Constitution, the states and the people decide.
    Equal protection is enumerated in the constitution, therefore the will of the people and the states are subject to it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think heterosexual marriage is in the Constitution.

    I wonder if my marriage is Constitutional? Maybe clown boy can help answer this conundrum...
    Until this current attempt to skirt constitutional process, marriage was written into every STATE constitution. A right the people granted themselves that is not enumerated by the US Constitution.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You can argue it all you want, but that is how its been working for awhile and the majority believe it should work that way. We like getting more rights rather than having others restrict our rights simply because they are in the majority.

    Marriage is not at a state or local level. It is at a personal level. It is between the two people involved. Other people's only interest in marriage should be in protecting people from getting screwed over by others to the best of their ability. You can set reasonable restrictions, just like with any law. The 14th though applies to all laws, state and federal, even local.

    Don't like it, get support enough to change it. I doubt it will happen.
    Actually, no, it's not just between two people. If that were the case this discussion would not be happening. If it were as you say, any two people could say they were married, like going steady in school. There is a license and a relationship with the state who adopted old common law through the 9th and the 10th.

    As to that last, how you get there matters too. You changed it, but broke it more in the process.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, no, it's not just between two people. If that were the case this discussion would not be happening. If it were as you say, any two people could say they were married, like going steady in school. There is a license and a relationship with the state who adopted old common law through the 9th and the 10th.

    As to that last, how you get there matters too. You changed it, but broke it more in the process.
    Yes it really is. The rest is not the business of the people themselves. Do other people in the community have a right to deny you your relationship with your wife? If so, why? Do they have a right to tell you that you can't marry your wife because she has a higher IQ than you or is from a different social class than you or has a different color hair than you do?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Bone up on your reading skills or stop reframing, whichever. I said nothing of the sort. The US Constitution isn't the width and breadth of the law. All sorts of things are legal because of state and local law.
    Out of curiosity, what in your own words is the Constitution of the United States?

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