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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Yes it is.

    no its not

    their similar as their both hetero sexual acts but their different as 1 can result in procreation and the other cant 1 or 2 of true people engaging in the non fertile heterosexual sex are physically different then their counterpart in the hetero sexual sex between 2 fertile people


    if you ignore that then homosexual sex can be the same hetero sexual sex

    seems to be orders of magnitude to this same different thing

    on 1 end every single sex act is different then another even between the same people

    on the other end all sexily stimulating acts between 2 people can be groped together

    in this case the important detail for you is reproduction

    going with that hetero sexual sex with an infertile person is the same as homosexual sex and different from hetero sexual sex where children might be produced

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    no its not

    their similar as their both hetero sexual acts but their different as 1 can result in procreation and the other cant 1 or 2 of true people engaging in the non fertile heterosexual sex are physically different then their counterpart in the hetero sexual sex between 2 fertile people


    if you ignore that then homosexual sex can be the same hetero sexual sex

    seems to be orders of magnitude to this same different thing

    on 1 end every single sex act is different then another even between the same people

    on the other end all sexily stimulating acts between 2 people can be groped together

    in this case the important detail for you is reproduction

    going with that hetero sexual sex with an infertile person is the same as homosexual sex and different from hetero sexual sex where children might be produced
    Do you acknowledge that the physical act performed is the same one in either case?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Do you acknowledge that the physical act performed is the same one in either case?
    They are not the same physical act. There is no natural penis entering a natural vagina when people participate in anal or oral sex, no matter the sexes of the people involved. These sexual acts are for pleasure and bonding, not procreation. They have nothing to do with the sexual act of putting a penis in the vagina and are in no way impeding that sexual act or procreation, no more than not having any sex at all does.

    In fact, what you are doing, remaining celibate, not having sex at all, impedes procreation to the same extent or more as participating in oral or anal sexual activity since those activities cause bonding between people, which could lead to them wanting to raise children together, either by adopting or by using other methods to have a child, to cause procreation in a "non-traditional" way.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not the same physical act. There is no natural penis entering a natural vagina when people participate in anal or oral sex, no matter the sexes of the people involved. These sexual acts are for pleasure and bonding, not procreation. They have nothing to do with the sexual act of putting a penis in the vagina and are in no way impeding that sexual act or procreation, no more than not having any sex at all does.

    In fact, what you are doing, remaining celibate, not having sex at all, impedes procreation to the same extent or more as participating in oral or anal sexual activity since those activities cause bonding between people, which could lead to them wanting to raise children together, either by adopting or by using other methods to have a child, to cause procreation in a "non-traditional" way.
    Please try to keep up with the discussion. We were talking about sex between infertile persons, not heterosexual sodomy.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Please try to keep up with the discussion. We were talking about sex between infertile persons, not heterosexual sodomy.
    Sex between infertile persons results in the same thing as pulling out or using birth control does, no procreation knowingly. Or do you presume that infertility is unknown to the majority of those who are infertile today? If you are choosing to have sex and infertile, then you are not going to make children, but are having sex for pleasure, for bonding. (And don't even try the whole "well some people are said to be infertile and have children" crap, because that is a rarity, and can't possibly happen if someone has no uterus or no sperm or no ovaries.)

    So what exactly is your point? And why did you fail to address the fact that choosing not to have sex at all is inhibiting procreation more than choosing to have sex for bonding purposes?
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Do you acknowledge that the physical act performed is the same one in either case?
    depends where you want to slide the scale to so that's conditional

    do you acknowledge that sex with no chance of reproduction is the same in either case when it comes to reproduction?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not the same physical act. There is no natural penis entering a natural vagina when people participate in anal or oral sex, no matter the sexes of the people involved. These sexual acts are for pleasure and bonding, not procreation. They have nothing to do with the sexual act of putting a penis in the vagina and are in no way impeding that sexual act or procreation, no more than not having any sex at all does.

    In fact, what you are doing, remaining celibate, not having sex at all, impedes procreation to the same extent or more as participating in oral or anal sexual activity since those activities cause bonding between people, which could lead to them wanting to raise children together, either by adopting or by using other methods to have a child, to cause procreation in a "non-traditional" way.
    that's a good point purposely obtaining from reproduction is a problem if you believe that your naughty bits have a duty to perform

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Please try to keep up with the discussion. We were talking about sex between infertile persons, not heterosexual sodomy.
    Infertile people can't procreate. If marriage is supposed to be about procreation, then infertile people shouldn't marry.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    that's a good point purposely obtaining from reproduction is a problem if you believe that your naughty bits have a duty to perform
    Woo! Mandatory fornication!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    9th Amendment and 14th Amendment.
    nope it's just not there. 9th deals with enumerated rights, 14 equal protection.
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