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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's right. The constitution supersedes the will of the people in this country. Sorry this troubles you so much.
    It doesn't, but apparently it bothers you and your crowd. So much so you labor to change it through judicial fiat rather than use constitutional methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As for being labeled bigots, if your guys have the right to say homosexuals are an abomination before God, I have the right to call them a bigot in response. The best part is that neither of us have the right to use the government to enforce our belief onto the other.
    Not "my guys", never sided with them before, still not.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Perfect.

    Tell me what they lost. What impact will this have on their lives?
    Another cut in the death of a thousand cuts to the US Constitution. Want to legalize homosexual marriage? Amend the Constitution to make it a right to marry instead of getting there through the backdoor and amending through judicial fiat. THEN the 14th would apply and you'd have made the constitution and the country a stronger place.

    Stop amending the text of the US Constitution through judicial decision.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Another cut in the death of a thousand cuts to the US Constitution. Want to legalize homosexual marriage? Amend the Constitution to make it a right instead of getting there through the backdoor and amending through judicial fiat. THEN the 14th would apply and you'd have made the constitution and the country a stronger place.
    It is already a right. What is wrong with you guys and believing that every single right that individual citizens (not states) have has to be explicitly written in the Constitution? That is the entire point of the 9th and even 10th Amendments to state that no they don't need to be written in there to be rights.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The will of the people is always subject to the restrictions of the US Constitution. You cannot deny people rights guaranteed by the US Constitution just because you want to or you voted to do so. That isn't how our system of government works or ever was supposed to work.
    And there is currently no right to marriage in the US Constitution outside of judicial rewrite/reimaging of what words mean.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Another cut in the death of a thousand cuts to the US Constitution. Want to legalize homosexual marriage? Amend the Constitution to make it a right to marry instead of getting there through the backdoor and amending through judicial fiat. THEN the 14th would apply and you'd have made the constitution and the country a stronger place.

    Stop amending the text of the US Constitution through judicial decision.
    Ahahahaha, so basically what you're saying is that every activity known to man has to be listed in the constitution by name before it can be legal. Nice.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is already a right. What is wrong with you guys and believing that every single right that individual citizens (not states) have has to be explicitly written in the Constitution? That is the entire point of the 9th and even 10th Amendments to state that no they don't need to be written in there to be rights.
    Because the ones not mentioned in the US Constitution can and are written in STATE constitutions. Remember that whole United States thing? The backbone of the US Constitution.

    And the 10th says they leave the hands of the federal constitution and the power passes to the STATES and the PEOPLE. Not the courts.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there is currently no right to marriage in the US Constitution outside of judicial rewrite/reimaging of what words mean.
    Yes there is because we have all the rights to begin with as citizens. What part of this Amendment do you not understand?

    9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That tells us that we do have that right. The only right people are trying to make up is this "right" to maintain the "traditional" definition of marriage. That is not a right at all.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ahahahaha, so basically what you're saying is that every activity known to man has to be listed in the constitution by name before it can be legal. Nice.
    Bone up on your reading skills or stop reframing, whichever. I said nothing of the sort. The US Constitution isn't the width and breadth of the law. All sorts of things are legal because of state and local law.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because the ones not mentioned in the US Constitution can and are written in STATE constitutions. Remember that whole United States thing? The backbone of the US Constitution.

    And the 10th says they leave the hands of the federal constitution and the power passes to the STATES and the PEOPLE. Not the courts.
    The United States is, not are. The states don't get the rights to themselves. The people, as in individuals, are included in that one too. In fact, they were limited by the 14th Amendment in that capacity. There was this little "skirmish" about a century and a half ago called the Civil War. It led to much less power in the hands of the states because the states just become smaller "tyrannies of the majority" or "little theocracies" if not kept in check by the federal government.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes there is because we have all the rights to begin with as citizens. What part of this Amendment do you not understand?

    9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That tells us that we do have that right. The only right people are trying to make up is this "right" to maintain the "traditional" definition of marriage. That is not a right at all.
    No, it doesn't. That certainly wasn't the intent. The "others retained by the people" refers to what, precisely which rights, and who decides which rights? Care to guess the framer's answer? The PEOPLE. That's right at a local and state level. That's how it worked. Until a couple black robes decided to play with amend by decision. The people lose every time that's done.

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