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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    a and c) I already gave the proof. If you wish, refute it.

    b) The natural law prohibits abortion.



    I have never advocated a theocracy.
    no natural laws allow abortion because abortion exists you must be thinking of some man made law

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    There is natural law.
    maybe physics and chemistry and the like

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I didn't say that the act of fornication is unnatural. It is irrational because humans naturally have permanent mates.

    Marriage occurred 1000 years ago.
    i don't naturally have a permanent mate at best you get people that decide to stay together

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The dictionary is your friend.

    I advocate a Catholic confessional state, not a theocracy.
    um what exactly is that?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Laws would be guided by Catholic teaching.
    yep that's a theocracy certainly not a secular state you want your religion to run are lives

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The government would be run by Catholic laypersons.
    and you want to keep people not in you religion out of government to boot

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So the Catholic beliefs would be law. Sounds theocratic to me but even if not, it sounds horrific and very very few people would ever want to be 'ruled' by those beliefs.

    Not even most Catholics I bet, since most good Catholics do not need laws to force them or encourage them to follow their faith....they do so because they believe it's the right thing to do, God's desires for them on Earth. Someone is not much of good Catholic, Christian, or anything else if it takes anything more than their own free will to obey God's Law.

    Your idea of desiring to force your offensive Catholic beliefs, which are even immoral IMO in some cases, is indeed horrific to myself and those others that God clearly TOLD had free will. (Heh, not to mention the Constitution).
    I was raised by Catholics, and they would absolutely hate the Catholic Church or religion having a say and especially the main say in our laws. They absolutely believe that things such as birth control, divorce, marrying after divorce, IVF/surrogacy, same sex marriage and gay adoption, along with many, many other things believed to be wrong or sins by the Catholic church/religion should be legal.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Laws would be guided by Catholic teaching.
    You cannot guarantee that those laypersons would put those Catholic teachings you want into place. Many Catholics do not believe in forcing others to abide by their rules about sin, not anymore anyway, not in the US.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    no sex out side of marriage is ok
    um to be clear im not saying all sex out side of marriage is not ok

    im saying its wrong to say sex out side of marriage is not ok

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    the act is not the same one is an act f sex that can result in procreation the other is not
    Yes it is.

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