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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Sexual acts which are incapable by virtue if the nature of the act (not a condition of the persons) of resulting in procreation, or in which procreation is deliberately impeded, are immoral.

    There's no inherent difference between typing and other uses of the hand.
    that would count with infertile people

    so why is it wrong to have sex without being able to have kids from it

    where's the problem

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    that would count with infertile people

    so why is it wrong to have sex without being able to have kids from it

    where's the problem
    Infertility is a condition of the person not part of the nature of the act.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Encouraging people in grave immorality is harmful to them, as such impedes their fulfillment of their telos.
    So you are against religious indoctrination because it encourages people in grave immorality that is harmful to them, and as such impedes their fulfillment of their telos?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Infertility is a condition of the person not part of the nature of the act.
    having sex with some one who is infertile alters the nature of the act it can't result in kids

    your double standard betrays you

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Infertility is a condition of the person not part of the nature of the act.
    But if the condition is known then having sex still would contradict the nature (or at least your purported nature) of the act.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You're reducing the whole of the human experience to sex. There is so much more to life.
    No I'm actually not. Loving and being loved is about much more than sex. Intimacy isn't hot sex. It's you who is reducing a loving relationship to the straight OR gay sex involved, blessing one, and saying relationships that involve gay sex are somehow illegitimate.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Sexual acts which are incapable by virtue if the nature of the act (not a condition of the persons) of resulting in procreation, or in which procreation is deliberately impeded, are immoral.

    There's no inherent difference between typing and other uses of the hand.
    you seem to be operating under the assumption that some one came up with sex for a reason that it did not just develop on it own

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Why not? Why is it wrong to recognize the traditional role that the church plays in marriage? The vast majority of Americans believe marriage to be a church / God ordained activity.
    And is anyone trying to stop the "vast majority of Americans who believe marriage to be a church / God ordained activity" from having a church wedding themselves? No.

    Is anyone trying to stop them from obtaining a secular marriage license? No.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Sexual acts which are incapable by virtue if the nature of the act (not a condition of the persons) of resulting in procreation, or in which procreation is deliberately impeded, are immoral.
    In other words, you believe straight sex can be moral, but gay sex cannot. We all get that, no need to dress it up, and that's fine. But that's just your belief, as deeply held as it might be. Strict Catholics don't believe in contraception, so do they get to impose their beliefs on you and outlaw it for the 90% or so of the population that don't believe as they do? Why not? Because it will inconvenience you? Many more religions do not believe sex outside of marriage is moral. That's also fine, but should our laws reflect that belief? Why not?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceist View Post
    So you are against religious indoctrination because it encourages people in grave immorality that is harmful to them, and as such impedes their fulfillment of their telos?
    How does it do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    having sex with some one who is infertile alters the nature of the act it can't result in kids

    your double standard betrays you
    The act is still the same act.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No I'm actually not. Loving and being loved is about much more than sex. Intimacy isn't hot sex. It's you who is reducing a loving relationship to the straight OR gay sex involved, blessing one, and saying relationships that involve gay sex are somehow illegitimate.
    I'm not against loving human relationships. I'm against unnatural sexual relationships.

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