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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    two words: Societal norms. You are making my point. Arbitrary lines for socially acceptable behavior exist everywhere including in law. The push for SSM is not a push to remedy discrimination, it is a push to change social norms. If it were about discrimination all non traditional ideas of marriage would be in play, not just ssm.
    I think it's clearly an push to remedy discrimination, but the SSM movement no doubt also involves changing social norms. I don't see a thing wrong with that, they work hand in hand actually. In fact, the groundwork for SSM was decades of activists and others changing social norms, and that success opened the door for SSM.

    And there can be no requirement or expectation that when society/individuals address or attempt to remedy some problem that they simultaneously address ALL similar issues. Back in the civil rights era, we didn't demand that MLK address discrimination against blacks, AND gays, AND Jews in many areas to confer legitimacy on his movement.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Calling it a sick lifestyle is just a matter of opinion. Don't like it? Oh well. That is not disparaging, its called an opinion. The rest you would have to have some real thin skin to get to the level of even alittle insulted about.
    so if I were to say your a sick pervert who robs America of dignity and who try's to makes us all into sissys

    and that every win for you was a loss for America

    that's just me giving some opinions and not being insulting

    would be disparaging apparently though

    dis·par·age
    verb \di-ˈsper-ij, -ˈspa-rij\

    : to describe (someone or something) as unimportant, weak, bad, etc.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And I find the gay life style of little value. But I am not disparaging any particular individual. Like I said, if you are looking to get offended. Good job, you did it.
    so if I were to say all people who liked are mentally handicapped baby murderers who want to destroy all that's good in this world and you happen to love cats im not saying anything about you an individual person even though you are included in the group im talking about

    interesting

    not that I would nothing wrong with people who like cats just because they like cats

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well for one, pushing for marriage. That is part of the agenda that contributes to the "lifestyle". I didn't know I had to explain that. It seems pretty self explanatory.
    im pushing for gay marriage im not gay most people who support gay marriage are not gay

    so how is it a gay agenda?

    and how is being hetero or homo sexual a life style and not a personal trait?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So it don't exist. So why get married?
    sign of love and commitment rights to be enjoyed between spouses and between spouses and the kids they raise

    you were in Vegas and it seemed like a good idea at the time

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wanting a right and having a right are two different things. No "right to marry" ever was to include men marrying men. Or women marrying women.
    and that why the government and its laws can treat some people difenrlty then others just because we feel like it without any further justification what so ever

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I could say that about people that want to marry their pets.
    I married my dog. It was a brief ceremony - said, "Sally (my dog's name) let's get married." She licked me in the face, which I took for a yes, and so we were married! The state didn't recognize our marriage, given she's a dog, and incapable of entering into any contract, marriage or otherwise. Which is too bad I guess, but just as well in the long run for us as we divorced after she pooped on the rug upstairs.... She doesn't seem to mind - still gets a long walk each night with my other dog, Jasper, and treats when we get back home.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Encouraging people in grave immorality is harmful to them, as such impedes their fulfillment of their telos.
    what's immoral about gay marriage?

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    clear yes wow worthy no the pore dammed souls on hear who go for that slippery slope bitch about the inevitability of such horrible things as bestiality and pedophilia and that the 2 of those must be involved in legal marriage if we have gay marriage

    but they have to then pretend that there's something wrong with those things to squish any objections sane people point out

    its like those people cant see the difference between 1 things they consider evil/yucky and another

    also if other forms of marriage could become legal you don't need gay marriage to be legal 1st

    as all the gay mage arguments boil down to how there equivalent to marriages we allow already
    quick change something wrong should be nothing wrong up their sorry about that

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    what's immoral about gay marriage?
    I'm OK with people believing it's immoral. Most people I know do and I disagree but can respect their views. I think Newt's serial adultery was immoral, but nobody asked me for permission for him to get married a third time, to his mistress, and the state didn't ask either. So someone's view of the morality of SSM or any marriage hasn't got much to do with anything. The question is does the state have a compelling interest in banning SSM, and when the question goes to court, those arguing against it can't make a case other than some version of "gays are icky, we don't like them, the bible tells me so." That's not enough. I'm pretty sure the Bible says don't cheat on your wife, divorce her, and marry your mistress, but that happens often enough and is perfectly legal!

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