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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You really fell in love with your new buzzword.

    Makes you sound like some sort of new age hippie type. Don't go against your telos, brah.

    Nothing you mentioned is specific or tangible, so another one in the "non-answer" column.
    Do you know what the word means?

    Thomists are not hippies.

    It was quite specific.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Does it (the term marriage) belong to polygamists? Does it belong to straight males who want to marry one another for monetary benefit? Does it really belong to everyone for any reason?
    No, there isn't a specific group that is barred from using it or required to use it. But this isn't an argument of personal semantics, it's an argument about on what basis the government of the United States is allowed to discriminate. If a marriage contract were called a Beer Can Contract instead, it wouldn't matter. They still wouldn't be able to bar a man from entering into the contract with a man without an important state interest being indicated.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Do you know what the word means?

    Thomists are not hippies.

    It was quite specific.
    It sounds like a hippie word, and no. It wasn't specific. You said it was harmful to them, but gave no indication as to how.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, there isn't a specific group that is barred from using it or required to use it. But this isn't an argument of personal semantics, it's an argument about on what basis the government of the United States is allowed to discriminate. If a marriage contract were called a Beer Can Contract instead, it wouldn't matter. They still wouldn't be able to bar a man from entering into the contract with a man without an important state interest being indicated.
    Maybe you should have clicked back to get the context for what I wrote here, because you are totally out in left field. I have no idea how what you wrote applies to anything I wrote.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Poor example. children cannot legally consent therefore there is no basis to charge discrimination. try again.
    Only because you discriminate against their right to consent. Sorry dude, you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. 18 is an arbitrary age for consent. Why not 17? Or 19? What magic change happened to me on my 18th birthday that made me capable of consenting to a lifetime legal contract that I couldn't do the day before?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Maybe you should have clicked back to get the context for what I wrote here, because you are totally out in left field. I have no idea how what you wrote applies to anything I wrote.
    The point is that the word doesn't belong to any particular group.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It sounds like a hippie word, and no. It wasn't specific. You said it was harmful to them, but gave no indication as to how.
    Google is your friend.

    It makes their being unfulfilled.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Google is your friend.

    It makes their being unfulfilled.
    Still nowhere near tangible or specific. Something I can measure, man.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Only because you discriminate against their right to consent. Sorry dude, you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. 18 is an arbitrary age for consent. Why not 17? Or 19?
    two words: Societal norms. You are making my point. Arbitrary lines for socially acceptable behavior exist everywhere including in law. The push for SSM is not a push to remedy discrimination, it is a push to change social norms. If it were about discrimination all non traditional ideas of marriage would be in play, not just ssm.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    two words: Societal norms. You are making my point. Arbitrary lines for socially acceptable behavior exist everywhere including in law. The push for SSM is not a push to remedy discrimination, it is a push to change social norms. If it were about discrimination all non traditional ideas of marriage would be in play, not just ssm.
    Again, only if you see all forms of discrimination as being equal.

    There is a clear precedent for discrimination on the basis of gender, and that's what's happening here. People are objecting to a specific form of discrimination. Yes, social acceptability plays an impact, because people are people.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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