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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Socially acceptable for whom? Many in our society support it and the trend is more and more all the time. There is no evidence that SSM is performed any differently nor has any additional negative (or positive) consequences than traditional marriage.

    While I'd prefer that the govt was not involved in marriage at all, it is and as such, IMO and legally, it should do so without discrimination. I dont think there's any indication that the govt plans to 'get out of' marriage so I dont see it as a fight worth investing in.
    My "socially unacceptable" comment was not directed at ssm only. I think you missed the point of my post. The point is that there are arbitrary limits to what is acceptable as marriage. It is no more discriminatory to exclude gay marriage than it is to exclude polygamy, or any other arrangement that people could consent to. Therefore allowing SSM does NOTHING to remedy discrimination, it only moves the line between acceptable and unacceptable.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    My "socially unacceptable" comment was not directed at ssm only. I think you missed the point of my post. The point is that there are arbitrary limits to what is acceptable as marriage. It is no more discriminatory to exclude gay marriage than it is to exclude polygamy, or any other arrangement that people could consent to. Therefore allowing SSM does NOTHING to remedy discrimination, it only moves the line between acceptable and unacceptable.
    This is only true if you think all classifications of discrimination are equal. Discriminating on the basis of race is not the same as discriminating on the basis of shoe size. The world is not black and white, deciding that discrimination is always ok or always not ok is silly.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Name one specific, tangible impact on your life.

    I'm keeping count of how many times I ask that question and get a bull**** non-answer.
    I'm not morbidly self-centered. As such I don't restrict my concern to matters which directly affect me.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm not morbidly self-centered. As such I don't restrict my concern to matters which directly affect me.
    Name a single, tangible impact on my life. Or Bill down the street. Or any person.

    Because you haven't named an impact. And Bill hasn't named an impact. And the people hired to argue the Prop 8 defense before the Supreme Court were unable to name an impact. Until one of you people steps up and gives a reason, the courts have no choice but to overturn your authoritarian restriction on individual liberty.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Name a single, tangible impact on my life. Or Bill down the street. Or any person.

    Because you haven't named an impact. And Bill hasn't named an impact. And the people hired to argue the Prop 8 defense before the Supreme Court were unable to name an impact. Until one of you people steps up and gives a reason, the courts have no choice but to overturn your authoritarian restriction on individual liberty.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is only true if you think all classifications of discrimination are equal. Discriminating on the basis of race is not the same as discriminating on the basis of shoe size. The world is not black and white, deciding that discrimination is always ok or always not ok is silly.
    Only people marry. So what class of people do you wish to exclude without those people feeling discriminated against?
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Encouraging people in grave immorality is harmful to them, as such impedes their fulfillment of their telos.
    You really fell in love with your new buzzword.

    Makes you sound like some sort of new age hippie type. Don't go against your telos, brah.

    Nothing you mentioned is specific or tangible, so another one in the "non-answer" column.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Only people marry. So what class of people do you wish to exclude without those people feeling discriminated against?
    I am comfortable with discrimination on the basis of age. Children are emotionally and intellectually unable to properly assess a life-changing legal contract like marriage and therefore should be barred from it. I'm sorry if this offends you.

    Why do you want to discriminate against people who wish to marry animals?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The church does not own marriage. They didn't invent it, despite some beliefs, nor do they hold any kind of copyright on it. It belongs to all of us, not just those who are religious. Marriage is what we call all unions of this certain type, not just those that are religious in nature. Heck, they started out as a private, social arrangement, no religious involvement at all. Even the Christian church didn't involve themselves in marriage in a mandatory manner until around the 10th Century, and then it was only to mandate that people needed to post announcements for their marriages in a town announcement, so that there was some sort of record of the marriage.
    Does it (the term marriage) belong to polygamists? Does it belong to straight males who want to marry one another for monetary benefit? Does it really belong to everyone for any reason?
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I am comfortable with discrimination on the basis of age. Children are emotionally and intellectually unable to properly assess a life-changing legal contract like marriage and therefore should be barred from it. I'm sorry if this offends you.

    Why do you want to discriminate against people who wish to marry animals?
    Poor example. children cannot legally consent therefore there is no basis to charge discrimination. try again.
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