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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wanting a right and having a right are two different things. No "right to marry" ever was to include men marrying men. Or women marrying women.
    Looks like that done changed.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wanting a right and having a right are two different things. No "right to marry" ever was to include men marrying men. Or women marrying women.
    Interracial marriage wasn't a right until it was. Women voting wasn't a right until it was. Poor people voting wasn't a right until it was. "It wasn't a right before" isn't an argument against making it a right. This is why your side is losing every court case. Your arguments are weak.

    But now it is a right. In, what, 20 states and quite a few other nations? So that's it then. This objection is over now, right?
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not everywhere. And I am sure you will say "yet". So you don't have to, I am sure the continued circling of the drain for America is for us to be come the next Sodom and Gomorrah.
    Then we should already be there since the problems of Sodom and Gomorrah had absolutely nothing to do with same sex relationships or same sex marriage. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can't find any proof that Sodom or Gomorrah allowed same sex marriages or treated such relationships as "equal" to opposite sex marriages/relationships. There is certainly evidence however that there was a lot of inhospitality going on in Sodom including attempting to show power and control over guests in the city, particularly male guests, by raping them (since any educated person knows that rape is about power, not attractions or relationships) and they were being unkind to guests, plus there was a lot of adultery going on according to the stories within Judaism. Nothing however mentioned about homosexuality running rampant, same sex marriages being the "norm", nor that there was any real problems at all with sexual immorality besides the adultery and the possible practice of temple sex worshiping.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never said they said it should be "illegal". I said they don't support it. I don't agree with gay marriage. And they come out of the wood work and justify their attempts at ridicule.
    So clearly they have a problem with what I say and what I believe.
    Yes, because you have an issue with equality within our laws, same sex couples being allowed to marry legally, because of your belief that marriage should be only a man and a woman. That is nothing but your belief, and while you are welcome to it, that does not mean that you are immune from criticism of that belief, nor do you have any right to have that belief trump the US Constitution and the guarantee of equal treatment under the law for all in the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well for one, pushing for marriage. That is part of the agenda that contributes to the "lifestyle". I didn't know I had to explain that. It seems pretty self explanatory.
    That isn't leading a "gay lifestyle". I push for marriage for same sex couples (as I think it is also good to encourage marriages for opposite sex couples), but I'm not gay.

    And the only "agenda" is to get equal rights under the law. That agenda is a completely worthy one to pursue as has been done in the past by many people, especially in this country.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So it don't exist. So why get married?
    Because marriage provides the only legal recognition of a kinship known as "spouse", and by extension "inlaws". That is the only way to set up those kinships legally, through marriage. There is no legitimate interest for the state not to allow same sex couples to get married and establish those relationships.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wanting a right and having a right are two different things. No "right to marry" ever was to include men marrying men. Or women marrying women.
    There is a right to marriage, and a right to be treated equally under the law. The SCOTUS has said several different times that there is a right to marriage. The 14th Amendment sets up a right to equal protection under the law which legal precedent has established means that in order for a state to show that unequal treatment under the law is justified they must show that, at the bare minimum, a legitimate state interest is being furthered by that unequal treatment. And there is unequal treatment of the law here because a woman cannot marry a woman, but a man can and a man cannot marry a man, but a woman can. That is unequal treatment of the law based on sex/gender. It would be no different than if some state made two new laws that said that only men could be lawyers legally and only women could be doctors legally. This would be unequal treatment of men and women under the law, even if both are allowed to do something the other cannot do. It is because they cannot do something the other sex/gender can do that makes it unequal treatment under the law.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah | MSNBC


    More bigotry biting the dust and the 6 states under the 10 could all have equality for good soon.
    Its so amazing the change we are witnessing right before our very eyes. The ruling in the tenth is HUGE.


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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah | MSNBC


    More bigotry biting the dust and the 6 states under the 10 could all have equality for good soon.
    Its so amazing the change we are witnessing right before our very eyes. The ruling in the tenth is HUGE.


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    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is terrible.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    This is terrible.
    Name one specific, tangible impact on your life.

    I'm keeping count of how many times I ask that question and get a bull**** non-answer.
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