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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

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    That case was discrimination because some races enjoyed a privilege which others did not; some races suffered a burdon which other races did not. The rule did not apply to all. A black couldn't marry a white, but an asian could marry a white. A white couldnt marry a black, but a white could marry a pacific islander. Thats unballanced.

    A SSM ban applies to all sexes wheras the interacial-marriage ban did not apply to races.
    would still be racial discrimination if you applied it to every race

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Neither gender is excluded form entering a marriage, thus its not gender discrimination.
    Yes, they are. One gender is, necessarily, since the ONLY thing that stops them from entering into that contract is gender or close familial relationship). Felons in jail can enter into it. Adulterers, domestic abusers. Old people, sterile people....anyone!

    (in some states, age is also a factor for minors but they do not have the same rights as adults)
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Neither gender is excluded form entering a marriage, thus its not gender discrimination.
    black and white people were not excluded from entering into a marriage it was racial discrimination when they could not marry one another

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    would still be racial discrimination if you applied it to every race
    The rule would have to be "you can only marry someone of the same racial composition" in order to not be discrimination. A very difficult thing to determine, practicaly unenforceable.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The rule would have to be "you can only marry someone of the same racial composition" in order to not be discrimination. A very difficult thing to determine, practicaly unenforceable.
    it would still be discrimination

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A SSM ban is not unconstitutional because marriage is not a Constitutional right.
    Actually, laws creating marriage bans have been found to be unconstitutional.

    It is left to the states to regulate.
    No. No, it isn't.

    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The only way for SCOTUS to have proper authority to rule on SSM is to make a marriage amendment.
    Demonstratively false:

    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, laws creating marriage bans have been found to be unconstitutional.
    By a court which has no authority to rule on the issue.

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    Ecamples of violating the seporation of powers, grounds to dismiss the entire court.

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, laws creating marriage bans have been found to be unconstitutional.



    No. No, it isn't.

    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Demonstratively false:

    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    an interesting article

    especially these bits

    The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

    Associate Justice Potter Stewart filed a brief concurring opinion. He reiterated his opinion from McLaughlin v. Florida that "it is simply not possible for a state law to be valid under our Constitution which makes the criminality of an act depend upon the race of the actor."

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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    By a court which has no authority to rule on the issue.
    SCOTUS rules on whether a law violates the constitution. It has the authority to rule on any issue for which may violate any amendment in the constitution. Loving v. Virginia was one such case. Actually, I'm pretty sure SCOTUS has the jurisdiction to make a judgement on any law which may violate the constitution regardless of the topic at hand.

    Ecamples of violating the seporation of powers, grounds to dismiss the entire court.
    You're getting desperate. SCOTUS has the jurisdiction to rule on marriage thanks to the 14th amendment.
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    Re: Gay marriage wins in Indiana and Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    an interesting article

    especially these bits

    The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.
    They said something somiler about another right, and yet it's gang-raped everywhere. This means SCOTUS are liers.

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