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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree, when isn't the issue.

    But it's hardly clear when the POTUS exceeds broad authority. If you've read the ACA, and know the case law about regulatory powers granted the Executive, and when and under what circumstances the POTUS can delay a law if imposing it would impose an undue burden, etc. then you're qualified to evaluate whether Obama's actions with regard to ACA are legal. I don't know, personally, and have read conflicting views on that issue.

    Would any right winger complain if Obama called off the EPA on a paper plant because to enforce the law would result in the plant being shut down? Doubt it! And he uses discretion every day to elect NOT to enforce laws - there is no law enforced perfectly without discretion, and where that discretion begins and ends is a VERY big old gray area.

    My point is I support a lawsuit clarifying the boundaries.
    I would, even though I don't like the EPA. It is the law. It's the president's job to enforce the law on the books. Not pick and choose which laws he likes and doesn't like. If he doesn't like a law he can make a case to congress to change the law.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Why? Because one president can do something another cannot do?

    You'll need to change the US constitution or make amendments to it then. Perhaps some people would like to see EO's totally banned or ripped from presidential powers?
    That is my preference, to state clearly by coanstitutional mamendment what constitues making law - a power not originally intended to be given to the POTUS. If the POTUS can veto congress then the congress should have the power to veto the POTUS.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Why? EO only affect the Executive Branch. Like Truman ordering the Military to segregate. EO don't have the power to make any new or change existing laws. What we need to keep all presidents in check by enforcing what EO can do. We have let too many presidents abuse a power they really don't have when it comes to the law.
    Then there'll be need for legislation on what EO's a president can sign into law, each with it's own description of authority. The EO's would need names and what is allowed and what isn't.

    Actually, presidents have circumvented laws of the land with EO's. I just pointed to one Reagan signed concerning immigration earlier in the thread.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is my preference, to state clearly by coanstitutional mamendment what constitues making law - a power not originally intended to be given to the POTUS. If the POTUS can veto congress then the congress should have the power to veto the POTUS.
    Congress does have that power now, veto override, with enough votes to do so.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The GOP lawsuit is nothing more or less than a dog and pony show.
    As much as Obama infuriates me, and he does, unfortunately I have to agree with this. It is a dog and pony show. It's time to put the dogs to bed, and let the ponies go to a rescue farm somewhere. I'm for one damn tired of the partisanship.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I would, even though I don't like the EPA. It is the law. It's the president's job to enforce the law on the books. Not pick and choose which laws he likes and doesn't like. If he doesn't like a law he can make a case to congress to change the law.
    Nearly all presidents have tweaked laws they didn't like, or bent the laws. People are suggesting doing away with Eo's, we'd need to implement that, sit on the sidelines and watch the sparks fly.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    I am going to guess that this will not succeed.

    But Boehner will be able to say that he tried.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Congress does have that power now, veto override, with enough votes to do so.
    Our congress critters have no vote on EOs at all - they are like recess appointments in that respect.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    As much as Obama infuriates me, and he does, unfortunately I have to agree with this. It is a dog and pony show. It's time to put the dogs to bed, and let the ponies go to a rescue farm somewhere. I'm for one damn tired of the partisanship.
    It doesn't get anything accomplished, they're more worried about being reelected than anything else.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Our congress critters have no vote on EOs at all - they are like recess appointments in that respect.
    Oh, I thought you were talking legislation. pardon me please.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is my preference, to state clearly by coanstitutional mamendment what constitues making law - a power not originally intended to be given to the POTUS. If the POTUS can veto congress then the congress should have the power to veto the POTUS.

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