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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    When it started is not the issue - how it can be stopped or held to within reasonable limits is the issue. Simply because our congress critters (of either party) will not make/change the law to suit the current POTUS (of either party) does not make it OK to override the existing law. "Dreamy" immigration reform is not the law yet Obama pretends that it is. PPACA contained fixed implementation phase dates yet since Obama preferred that they be changed and simply did so.
    I agree, when isn't the issue.

    But it's hardly clear when the POTUS exceeds broad authority. If you've read the ACA, and know the case law about regulatory powers granted the Executive, and when and under what circumstances the POTUS can delay a law if imposing it would impose an undue burden, etc. then you're qualified to evaluate whether Obama's actions with regard to ACA are legal. I don't know, personally, and have read conflicting views on that issue.

    Would any right winger complain if Obama called off the EPA on a paper plant because to enforce the law would result in the plant being shut down? Doubt it! And he uses discretion every day to elect NOT to enforce laws - there is no law enforced perfectly without discretion, and where that discretion begins and ends is a VERY big old gray area.

    My point is I support a lawsuit clarifying the boundaries.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

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    The idea that each president can now do whatever they want because some president in the past did "something similar" is nonsense.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree, when isn't the issue.

    But it's hardly clear when the POTUS exceeds broad authority. If you've read the ACA, and know the case law about regulatory powers granted the Executive, and when and under what circumstances the POTUS can delay a law if imposing it would impose an undue burden, etc. then you're qualified to evaluate whether Obama's actions with regard to ACA are legal. I don't know, personally, and have read conflicting views on that issue.

    Would any right winger complain if Obama called off the EPA on a paper plant because to enforce the law would result in the plant being shut down? Doubt it! And he uses discretion every day to elect NOT to enforce laws - there is no law enforced perfectly without discretion, and where that discretion begins and ends is a VERY big old gray area.

    My point is I support a lawsuit clarifying the boundaries.
    Why would anyone support a lawsuit knowing it will more than likely go nowhere and waste time and taxpayer money?

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The idea that each president can now do whatever they want because some president in the past did "something similar" is nonsense.
    Why? Because one president can do something another cannot do?

    You'll need to change the US constitution or make amendments to it then. Perhaps some people would like to see EO's totally banned or ripped from presidential powers?

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Why would anyone support a lawsuit knowing it will more than likely go nowhere and waste time and taxpayer money?
    More than anything, I think it's good for the country to push back on the trajectory of unchecked powers of the POTUS.

    When the Bush administration was busy arguing for the Unitary Executive, and unchecked Commander in Chief, lots of liberals whined about it because we didn't like what he was DOING with those powers. It's hypocritical now, in my view, to support Obama's use of those same powers because I mostly agree with him doing an end run by a pathetic, HELL NO WE CAN'T, House and every bill in the Senate requiring 60 vote supermajority.

    So, our whining does NOTHING. It will take some Congress to stop the erosion of powers, and if the lawsuit is legitimate ( which I doubt ) then it's a good thing. I agree with the libertarians on this. Besides, I'm pretty sure the next GOP POTUS will love exercising unrestrained powers. How can I complain when I cheer Obama doing it?

    But, sure, if you want to know my guess, it's part of the charade ahead of an impeachment in the House this year or next and Boehner will carefully avoid actually testing the limits. I HOPE I'm surprised.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree, when isn't the issue.

    But it's hardly clear when the POTUS exceeds broad authority. If you've read the ACA, and know the case law about regulatory powers granted the Executive, and when and under what circumstances the POTUS can delay a law if imposing it would impose an undue burden, etc. then you're qualified to evaluate whether Obama's actions with regard to ACA are legal. I don't know, personally, and have read conflicting views on that issue.

    Would any right winger complain if Obama called off the EPA on a paper plant because to enforce the law would result in the plant being shut down? Doubt it! And he uses discretion every day to elect NOT to enforce laws - there is no law enforced perfectly without discretion, and where that discretion begins and ends is a VERY big old gray area.

    My point is I support a lawsuit clarifying the boundaries.
    That is unlikely to occur - we still have virtually no idea what the boundaries are for the 2A after many visits to the SCOTUS.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Boehner sure likes to rise to the occasion. But can he hold it up?
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    John Boehner Lawsuit Obama Administration Executive Actions | Mediaite

    “The president has a clear record of ignoring the American people’s elected representatives and exceeding his constitutional authority, which has dangerous implications for both our system of government and our economy,” Boehner’s spokesman Michael Steel said. “The House has passed legislation to address this, but it has gone nowhere in the Democratic-controlled Senate, so we are examining other options.”

    In response, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said, “While the urgent needs of the American people are ignored by House Republicans, it is reprehensible that Speaker Boehner plans another doomed, legal boondoggle after he spent $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars unsuccessfully defending discrimination in federal courts.”

    In 2011, Boehner convened the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group in order to challenge the Obama administration’s decision to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act. The House later dropped its case and the Supreme Court subsequently deemed DOMA unconstitutional.

    Over the past couple of years, President Obama has used executive actions in attempts to help curb gun violence and ban anti-gay discrimination in the workplace. Most recently, the president’s Climate Action Plan employed a variety executive actions to cut carbon pollution.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Why? Because one president can do something another cannot do?

    You'll need to change the US constitution or make amendments to it then. Perhaps some people would like to see EO's totally banned or ripped from presidential powers?
    Why? EO only affect the Executive Branch. Like Truman ordering the Military to segregate. EO don't have the power to make any new or change existing laws. What we need to keep all presidents in check by enforcing what EO can do. We have let too many presidents abuse a power they really don't have when it comes to the law.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    More than anything, I think it's good for the country to push back on the trajectory of unchecked powers of the POTUS.

    When the Bush administration was busy arguing for the Unitary Executive, and unchecked Commander in Chief, lots of liberals whined about it because we didn't like what he was DOING with those powers. It's hypocritical now, in my view, to support Obama's use of those same powers because I mostly agree with him doing an end run by a pathetic, HELL NO WE CAN'T, House and every bill in the Senate requiring 60 vote supermajority.

    So, our whining does NOTHING. It will take some Congress to stop the erosion of powers, and if the lawsuit is legitimate ( which I doubt ) then it's a good thing. I agree with the libertarians on this. Besides, I'm pretty sure the next GOP POTUS will love exercising unrestrained powers. How can I complain when I cheer Obama doing it?

    But, sure, if you want to know my guess, it's part of the charade ahead of an impeachment in the House this year or next and Boehner will carefully avoid actually testing the limits. I HOPE I'm surprised.
    I believe the congress (Boehner specifically) is treading into uncharted territory, a gray or black area that hasn't been tested on EO's with a lawsuit. There's a very thin line here. If he succeeds with the lawsuit or impeachment, the right had better look out, because if the GOP gains control of the white house, there's going to be a lot of left wing head hunters, and setting a new precedence could be dangerous for either party. It's basically why nobody ever pushed the limit of trying to impeach Bush, fear of the unknown, which might be something to fear after all.

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