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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Sounds like your Supreme Court has more power then your Government does.
    I realize some people think that any constitution that differs from the US is the work of heathens and blasphemers, but: Given how often laws wind up in the courts, it's really not much different than in the US. It just streamlines the process, and doesn't give the court an "out" with issues of standing.


    If the GOP does file this law suit without "Standing" then it will most likely be viewed as nothing more then a political disagreement and the courts won't waste their time with it.
    More likely is that the issue of standing will be one of many parts of a long drawn-out process. Sometimes, issues of standing make it all the way to the SCOTUS. E.g. one of the California SSM cases was rejected by the SCOTUS, because the people defending the law lacked the standing to do so (Hollingsworth v. Perry).

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Sounds like your Supreme Court has more power then your Government does.
    If the GOP does file this law suit without "Standing" then it will most likely be viewed as nothing more then a political disagreement and the courts won't waste their time with it.
    No, our Supreme Court has no legislative power nor can they initiate a move to legislate - the role I spoke of was advisory in that they would be asked their view on the constitutionality of direction the government may be considering where there is contention about the powers of government to act as it relates to our constitution and our charter of rights. It helps government get it right the first time and is only used in serious national policy matters. Our Supreme Court isn't considered anywhere near as political as yours is, so perhaps people in America would consider such a move as giving your court too much power.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't think we disagree here - as I stated with Boo - my comments originally came out of a challenge to the Amadeus chart which simply showed quantity of executive orders as if that was the relevant issue. All Presidents, particularly in this past century, try to push the bounds of their authority and congress or groups of citizens take them to task through lawsuits. It's how the system's supposed to work and I see nothing wrong with it.
    Well sure, but the problem is republicans only complain when a democrat is doing it and vice versa. The people on this board that are bitching about Obama (rightly so) were silent when Bush and Reagan were doing it. And the people on this board that are making excuses for Obama were quite vocal when Bush was doing it. Jonathan Turley is constantly accused of being both on the left and right which is silly, he's a constitutional lawyer/professor and the constitution has no left and right. He was very critical of Bush and more so yet of Obama. We have got to stop presidents (not just democratic ones either) from unilateral and extra constitutional action. If partisans will only stop protecting their own.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well sure, but the problem is republicans only complain when a democrat is doing it and vice versa. The people on this board that are bitching about Obama (rightly so) were silent when Bush and Reagan were doing it. And the people on this board that are making excuses for Obama were quite vocal when Bush was doing it. Jonathan Turley is constantly accused of being both on the left and right which is silly, he's a constitutional lawyer/professor and the constitution has no left and right. He was very critical of Bush and more so yet of Obama. We have got to stop presidents (not just democratic ones either) from unilateral and extra constitutional action. If partisans will only stop protecting their own.
    I don't disagree, but Presidents are protected in the sense that they generally don't try to extend their influence/power except in areas where their party is likely to agree. You mention "torture", what the right and the Bush administration would call "advanced interrogation tactics" - you'd be hard pressed to find any members of the Republican Party who'd disagree with the administration's position - many Democrats agreed as well, tacitly or explicitly. Just as most Democrats agree with the Obama administration pushing back the ACA timelines so that they can get past the November elections relatively unscathed. And Democrats were standing in Congress, cheering the President on, when he announced during the SOTU address that he had a big pen and he was going to us it.

    As Washington becomes more confrontational, more polarized, you are going to have fewer members of Congress who will put up with gentle erosion of their power. It's a natural progression. I doubt very much that the next Republican President who finds him/herself with a Democrat controlled or partially controlled Congress will have it any easier.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Congress can overturn most executive orders by passing a law. E.g. Congress could pass a law that explicitly restricts the EPA from regulating CO2.
    As soon as that is possible in the Senate it may just happen.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, our Supreme Court has no legislative power nor can they initiate a move to legislate - the role I spoke of was advisory in that they would be asked their view on the constitutionality of direction the government may be considering where there is contention about the powers of government to act as it relates to our constitution and our charter of rights. It helps government get it right the first time and is only used in serious national policy matters. Our Supreme Court isn't considered anywhere near as political as yours is, so perhaps people in America would consider such a move as giving your court too much power.
    I guess I miss understood what you meant. I can see where running things thru them before any major changes were made would be a good thing.

    You're right about our Supreme Court being too political. It's a not supposed to be that way but the last 20 years or so it getting more and more so.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree, but Presidents are protected in the sense that they generally don't try to extend their influence/power except in areas where their party is likely to agree. You mention "torture", what the right and the Bush administration would call "advanced interrogation tactics" - you'd be hard pressed to find any members of the Republican Party who'd disagree with the administration's position - many Democrats agreed as well, tacitly or explicitly. Just as most Democrats agree with the Obama administration pushing back the ACA timelines so that they can get past the November elections relatively unscathed. And Democrats were standing in Congress, cheering the President on, when he announced during the SOTU address that he had a big pen and he was going to us it.

    As Washington becomes more confrontational, more polarized, you are going to have fewer members of Congress who will put up with gentle erosion of their power. It's a natural progression. I doubt very much that the next Republican President who finds him/herself with a Democrat controlled or partially controlled Congress will have it any easier.
    You can call torture whatever you want. But the Bush era practice was a departure from what historically set the US apart from other countries.

    Debates arose over the legality of the techniques—whether or not they had violated U.S. or international laws (such as the UN Convention against Torture) and whether they constitute torture. In 2005 the CIA destroyed many videotapes depicting prisoners being interrogated under torture; an internal justification was that what they showed was so horrific they would be "devastating to the CIA", and that "the heat from destroying is nothing compared to what it would be if the tapes ever got into public domain."[2][3][4][5] The United Nations special rapporteur on torture, Juan Mendez stated that waterboarding is torture — "immoral and illegal," and in 2008, fifty-six House Democrats asked for an independent investigation.[6][7][8][9]


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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it is about time someone decided to put at stop to that the non-sense going on up there.
    obama changes every law he doesn't like which is illegal and against the constitution he doesn't have the power to change and create law yet he does it anyway.
    took them long enough.
    Unfortunately the Boehner lawsuit is not likely to have any timely effect. It will likely be a year or two after "Hussein" Obama is out of office before there is a ruling and even then it can be appealed. Or some leftwing federal judge will strike it down. What's needed are immediate constitutional challenges and withholding of funding.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Having trouble on my iPad. I'll have to them one at a time:

    Through the unconstitutional power of Executive Orders (i.e. dictatorial power to issue decrees), Obama has positioned himself to stand alongside the most heinous dictators in history. Since taking office, President Obama signed 923 Executive Orders in the first 40 months of his term, many times more than any other president to date.

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    Scary!
    923 Executive Orders in 40 Months


    During my lifetime, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders, for reasons that vary, some more than others.


    When a President issued as many as 30 Executive Orders during a term in Office, people thought there was something amiss.

    Obama's has issued 923 Executive Orders in 40 months, page 1

    Obama Signs 923 Executive Orders in 40 Months !!! | TeaPartyWPBFL

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    I get one of these twice a week from the conservatives I know in the south. They call the fact checkers part of the liberal media. I have no idea how to address them.
    I don't think tiny extreme right wing blogs and anonymous chain emails really count for very much, although the fact that I never read either explains why I've never heard it. Almost all the mainstream criticism of Obama's executive orders and even from people on sites like this has been because of the supposed unconstitutionality of specific orders rather than the number.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    When I heard about this yesterday, I damned near fell out of my chair from laughing so hard! At first, I thought it was a joke.

    If Boehner truly believed the President was over-stepping his bounds and not "faithfully executing the law," he and his House Republican cohorts should be drafting articles of impeachment instead of trying this extremely questionable legal end-round. No way will it hold up in court. You'd have to prove that any and ALL Executive Orders where purposely set in motion so as to circumvent standing law. Moreover, as I've said time and time again, most EO's are directed towards members of his Cabinet on how the carry out policy in accordance with applicable law in order to maintain good social order. Boehner defeats his own purpose when he, himself, does not specify which law the President has violated.

    This is nothing more than political theater by an outgoing House Speaker. It'll never go anywhere. Folks should read this in-depth study on "The President as Law Enforcer". It puts the President's use of EO's in prospective.
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