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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is very relevant to how often such things have been done. With Obama too many act like's well beyond the pale when in fact he's right with what has been done. Bush pushed it a lot, and nary a complaint from conservatives or libertarians. Much of what they have called unconstitutional has held up in the courts. The fact is those who hate Obama hate more than they reason.
    It's not "How many". It's "What were they?"

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Cantor is still pulling the strings through McCarthy and Boehner IMO.
    As he promised, he will push his agenda through the end of July when he resigns as ML, with August recess.
    and Heaven help those AGOPs on his **** list.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course it is, Cantor losing really brought that out.
    We'll see if this new McC has the nads to shut down the government in the Fall.
    I say the GOP gives a little, all part of the Priebus-maneuvering behind the scenes, as with the Senate primaries.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    You should go to work for Boehner.
    He hasn't figured out how to verbalize that yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not "How many". It's "What were they?"
    And we're back full circle to ACA aren't we?
    With immigration lawsuits just in case.

    I think it's fair to say this is the Speaker v. Presidency, versus the present actors,
    since we have the last three decades of this being debated on dp constantly .
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not "How many". It's "What were they?"
    That's the new mantra. As I noted earlier, at first it was how many. I linked several I see every day from conservatives show they think he has given more than anyone else. But even when we put that lie aside, there is really little difference in the what. Bush certainly came much closer to breaking the law. Only liberals complained then. Everything with Obama for some reason gets over exaggerated.

    Some reading:

    To sue the president, Republicans are tying themselves in ideological knots. After howling about excessive lawsuits, they are embracing long-shot litigation. After lamenting activist judges, they are now insisting that judges be more activist and shed their long-standing reluctance to adjudicate disputes between the elected branches.

    Even some conservative scholars argue that lawmakers probably don’t have a legal standing for such a suit. If Republicans persuade the courts to grant them standing, the case could take years to work its way through the system, at which point Obama will be gone. Adding to the charade, the taxpayer-funded legal fight would be waged under the authority of the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, which is known by the acronym “BLAG” and is bipartisan only in name because it is controlled by the House majority.

    But the real problem with the lawsuit approach is that it misunderstands the cause of the problem: congressional dysfunction. Lawmakers, hamstrung by disagreement, have created a power vacuum, and presidents have stepped in to fill it. The solution is not to sue, but to legislate, which means to compromise — and this is something Boehner’s troops have been unwilling to do.

    Dana Milbank: John Boehner wants to sue President Obama - The Washington Post

    Indeed, at a certain point, Boehner’s own lawsuit — putting its legal merits aside — will neatly reveal that to be the real problem here.

    Paul Kane puts his finger on the nub of the matter: “Boehner declined to spell out which specific actions would be addressed in the suit.”

    The lawsuit, Kane suggests, will at some point have to specify which executive actions by the president constitute a failure to “faithfully execute the laws of our country,” justifying this dramatic step by Republicans. Yet the raising of any specifics will only serve as a reminder of the fronts on which Republicans have refused to legislate.

    (snip)

    HOUSE GOP LAWSUIT CARRIES POLITICAL RISKS: NBC’s First Read crew nails it:

    With just 121 bills becoming law in the entire 113th Congress (compared with 136 at this point in the historically unproductive 112th Congress), they need something to show their constituents and base voters back home. “See, we’re standing up to the president,” they can say….While the lawsuit move will certainly fire up conservative voters almost four months out until the midterms, it does come at a risk for Republicans. With a summer that’s going to be dominated by hearings on Benghazi and the IRS — and now with a vote on this lawsuit coming next month — non-base voters can legitimately ask: What are you doing to improve our lives, help the economy, and make sure we have extra money in our pockets?

    Morning Plum: Boehner scratches GOP base’s impeachment itch - The Washington Post

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Our congress critters have no vote on EOs at all - they are like recess appointments in that respect.
    Congress can overturn most executive orders by passing a law. E.g. Congress could pass a law that explicitly restricts the EPA from regulating CO2.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power | Fox News

    Where did the crybaby get his gonads at? Did he buy them or grow them?

    Leader says House plans to sue Obama



    How can an overly sensitive wimp come up with something like this? did he drink some tea or something?
    The SCOTUS just ruled today that the President disregarded the Constitution in his sidestepping the Congress with his appointments to the NLRB.

    This suit may follow that path as well.

    Not a good week for Obama.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    First of all, this is all just a PR stunt by Bonehead to rally up the base for mid-term elections. He hasn't actually done ANYTHING really to stop Obama in the past when he could have.

    Basically this will continue until a new president is voted in and if it is a GOP president, watch all this anger over XOs just dissapear from the GOP because they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot with their old used power. However, if it is a Dem president, they will continue the lawsuit to try and prevent a Dem president from using XOs.

    Bottomline is this, whether the right likes it or not Obama is using a power they all enjoyed as well. This is why I have been against XOs, because eventually you will get a president that will abuse it. It gets worse with each presidency on the scope of XOs.
    I think you're right. Unfortunately for those of us that would like to actually see a president held accountable. But Boehner is, as you point out, less interested in holding a president accountable than he is on drumming up mid term election support. Plus, he's not going to be interested in pursuing something that could be used against him, or his party at least, in the future. Holding the democratic president accountable by the GOP guarantees the next GOP president is held accountable, something neither party is interested in. And so the people continue to play the charade.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The SCOTUS just ruled today that the President disregarded the Constitution in his sidestepping the Congress with his appointments to the NLRB.

    This suit may follow that path as well.

    Not a good week for Obama.

    I love it. Great news and long over do. Where was SCOTUS during the Bush administration!?!?
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's the new mantra. As I noted earlier, at first it was how many. I linked several I see every day from conservatives show they think he has given more than anyone else. But even when we put that lie aside, there is really little difference in the what. Bush certainly came much closer to breaking the law. Only liberals complained then. Everything with Obama for some reason gets over exaggerated.

    Some reading:

    To sue the president, Republicans are tying themselves in ideological knots. After howling about excessive lawsuits, they are embracing long-shot litigation. After lamenting activist judges, they are now insisting that judges be more activist and shed their long-standing reluctance to adjudicate disputes between the elected branches.

    Even some conservative scholars argue that lawmakers probably don’t have a legal standing for such a suit. If Republicans persuade the courts to grant them standing, the case could take years to work its way through the system, at which point Obama will be gone. Adding to the charade, the taxpayer-funded legal fight would be waged under the authority of the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, which is known by the acronym “BLAG” and is bipartisan only in name because it is controlled by the House majority.

    But the real problem with the lawsuit approach is that it misunderstands the cause of the problem: congressional dysfunction. Lawmakers, hamstrung by disagreement, have created a power vacuum, and presidents have stepped in to fill it. The solution is not to sue, but to legislate, which means to compromise — and this is something Boehner’s troops have been unwilling to do.

    Dana Milbank: John Boehner wants to sue President Obama - The Washington Post

    Indeed, at a certain point, Boehner’s own lawsuit — putting its legal merits aside — will neatly reveal that to be the real problem here.

    Paul Kane puts his finger on the nub of the matter: “Boehner declined to spell out which specific actions would be addressed in the suit.”

    The lawsuit, Kane suggests, will at some point have to specify which executive actions by the president constitute a failure to “faithfully execute the laws of our country,” justifying this dramatic step by Republicans. Yet the raising of any specifics will only serve as a reminder of the fronts on which Republicans have refused to legislate.

    (snip)

    HOUSE GOP LAWSUIT CARRIES POLITICAL RISKS: NBC’s First Read crew nails it:

    With just 121 bills becoming law in the entire 113th Congress (compared with 136 at this point in the historically unproductive 112th Congress), they need something to show their constituents and base voters back home. “See, we’re standing up to the president,” they can say….While the lawsuit move will certainly fire up conservative voters almost four months out until the midterms, it does come at a risk for Republicans. With a summer that’s going to be dominated by hearings on Benghazi and the IRS — and now with a vote on this lawsuit coming next month — non-base voters can legitimately ask: What are you doing to improve our lives, help the economy, and make sure we have extra money in our pockets?

    Morning Plum: Boehner scratches GOP base’s impeachment itch - The Washington Post
    To assume my post is part of any "new mantra" is to greatly underestimate the intelligence of Americans. That's not the party line. That's mine. It's only common sense. I think we'll find, when the chips are down, Americans have more common sense than we typically give them credit for.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I love it. Great news and long over do. Where was SCOTUS during the Bush administration!?!?
    No one filed the needed lawsuits, or at the very least, the ones that were filed weren't written up properly or argued properly in court regarding the Constitution.

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