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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's absolutely no chance of this being an election year stunt. Nope, none whatsoever.
    Oh, it absolutely is likely influenced by this being an election year. That doesn't mean it's any less legitimate to bring the suit. If anything, going off the post of mine you quoted, the fact that they've had this complaint for multiple years now and only are now deciding to "****" rather than "get off the pot" (the phrase I used in my post you quoted which is hardly a kind one towards republicans) is definitely worthy of criticism.

    There's a large difference between criticizing the timing of the lawsuit and criticizing the notion of the lawsuit.

    Filing suit against the Administration because members of congress feel they've overstepped the bounds of the constitution is ABSOLUTELY a reasonable notion and one that we shouldn't just want, but demand, out of our various branches of government. Part of the largest job that the various branches have is to act as checks and balances. The President has exercised some of his power to "check" congress by using signing statements to denote things that are unconstitutional in his opinion, for instance. The Congress should be exercising theirs by bringing suit on issues they feel the President is acting unconstitutionally in their opinion. Which allows the judicial branch to exercising theirs by judging the constitutionality of the actions. There is nothing condemnable with regards to that general notion.

    Waiting till you're less than half a year out from the next election to finally actually exert your "check" however is something that can be reasonable condemned. As I said....IF the republicans, and others, in congress have had such issues then its incumbant on them to **** or get off the pot. I think they should've **** a lot earlier than they are, but I am in general happy to see that they're finally going to do one or the other as opposed to just staying on the crapper.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Does anyone know the last lawsuit by a Congress at a President over XO's ?
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, it absolutely is likely influenced by this being an election year. That doesn't mean it's any less legitimate to bring the suit. If anything, going off the post of mine you quoted, the fact that they've had this complaint for multiple years now and only are now deciding to "****" rather than "get off the pot" (the phrase I used in my post you quoted which is hardly a kind one towards republicans) is definitely worthy of criticism.

    There's a large difference between criticizing the timing of the lawsuit and criticizing the notion of the lawsuit.

    Filing suit against the Administration because members of congress feel they've overstepped the bounds of the constitution is ABSOLUTELY a reasonable notion and one that we shouldn't just want, but demand, out of our various branches of government. Part of the largest job that the various branches have is to act as checks and balances. The President has exercised some of his power to "check" congress by using signing statements to denote things that are unconstitutional in his opinion, for instance. The Congress should be exercising theirs by bringing suit on issues they feel the President is acting unconstitutionally in their opinion. Which allows the judicial branch to exercising theirs by judging the constitutionality of the actions. There is nothing condemnable with regards to that general notion.

    Waiting till you're less than half a year out from the next election to finally actually exert your "check" however is something that can be reasonable condemned. As I said....IF the republicans, and others, in congress have had such issues then its incumbant on them to **** or get off the pot. I think they should've **** a lot earlier than they are, but I am in general happy to see that they're finally going to do one or the other as opposed to just staying on the crapper.
    I agree with you, and would add that this should have been done with Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 as well. Maybe this will be the turn of the evolving of the empirical presidency. So Obama gets busted for what many others have gotten away with. Tuff breaks, but if it reverses the trend, so be it.
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    And this comes on the heels of yet another 9-0 decision against the Obama Administration by the SCOTUS. Note, before some posters try to blather on about the "GOP SCOTUS"....that is NINE - ZERO, as in no dissent. As in even Kagan and Sotomayer, Obama appointees, agreed. This joins Sackett v. EPA, Hosanna-Tabor Church v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and United States v. Jones amongst others as instances where this SCOTUS has voted UNANIMOUSLY against the actions of this Administration.

    Regardless of your opinion on the timing of this lawsuit, the fact that the lawsuit is being brought forth is not ridiculous. Our government is founded on a notion of checks and balances. This administration is not bereft of instances where the action taken on the part of the Executive Branch is found to be unconstitutional. If the Congress feels that the President is acting in a manner outside the bounds of what the Executive can do then it's incumbant on them in our form of government to take the time to craft a case and put forward a challenge.

    Note, expecting the initial statement of the case being told to the Media to contain every detail and deep legal analysis is ridiculously dishonest and an obvious ploy.

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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And this comes on the heels of yet another 9-0 decision against the Obama Administration by the SCOTUS. Note, before some posters try to blather on about the "GOP SCOTUS"....that is NINE - ZERO, as in no dissent. As in even Kagan and Sotomayer, Obama appointees, agreed.
    Isn't it nice to see the four DEM appointees not playing politics?
    Especially with the two Justices you pointed out coming from Obama, as if that should matter .
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Regardless of your opinion on the timing of this lawsuit, the fact that the lawsuit is being brought forth is not ridiculous. Our government is founded on a notion of checks and balances. This administration is not bereft of instances where the action taken on the part of the Executive Branch is found to be unconstitutional. If the Congress feels that the President is acting in a manner outside the bounds of what the Executive can do then it's incumbant on them in our form of government to take the time to craft a case and put forward a challenge.
    The lawsuit is clearly pandering to the TEAs.
    A shot across the Obama bow, threatening him not to make any more XOs on ACA or even think about them on Immigration.
    Yet Boehner can't tell us what he's suing over yet, just that he's suing

    Note, expecting the initial statement of the case being told to the Media to contain
    every detail and deep legal analysis is ridiculously dishonest and an obvious ploy.
    I haven't heard any of this.
    I will expect just as concise a report on Monday with the Hobby Lobby ruling .
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with you, and would add that this should have been done with Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 as well. Maybe this will be the turn of the evolving of the empirical presidency. So Obama gets busted for what many others have gotten away with. Tuff breaks, but if it reverses the trend, so be it.
    This isn't the first of the many firsts directed at Obama and it won't be the last .
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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, it absolutely is likely influenced by this being an election year. That doesn't mean it's any less legitimate to bring the suit. If anything, going off the post of mine you quoted, the fact that they've had this complaint for multiple years now and only are now deciding to "****" rather than "get off the pot" (the phrase I used in my post you quoted which is hardly a kind one towards republicans) is definitely worthy of criticism.

    There's a large difference between criticizing the timing of the lawsuit and criticizing the notion of the lawsuit.

    Filing suit against the Administration because members of congress feel they've overstepped the bounds of the constitution is ABSOLUTELY a reasonable notion and one that we shouldn't just want, but demand, out of our various branches of government. Part of the largest job that the various branches have is to act as checks and balances. The President has exercised some of his power to "check" congress by using signing statements to denote things that are unconstitutional in his opinion, for instance. The Congress should be exercising theirs by bringing suit on issues they feel the President is acting unconstitutionally in their opinion. Which allows the judicial branch to exercising theirs by judging the constitutionality of the actions. There is nothing condemnable with regards to that general notion.

    Waiting till you're less than half a year out from the next election to finally actually exert your "check" however is something that can be reasonable condemned. As I said....IF the republicans, and others, in congress have had such issues then its incumbant on them to **** or get off the pot. I think they should've **** a lot earlier than they are, but I am in general happy to see that they're finally going to do one or the other as opposed to just staying on the crapper.
    It's a legitimate suit, but since the whole House (including Boehner) is running for re-election in a few months....

    As long as the GOP retains the House, we won't hear anything else about it. There isn't much danger of that not happening, but I wonder if Cantor losing put the fear of "God" into Boehner. The question is if they can win the Senate which will be a lot more tricky. My own prognostication is that it remains as it is. A couple of seats here or there will change, but not the majority.


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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The lawsuit is clearly pandering to the TEAs.
    Of course it is, Cantor losing really brought that out.


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    Re: Boehner plans to file suit against Obama over alleged abuse of executive power

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No I can't see that because I'm not that naive. Posting a chart that shows quantity is totally irrelevant to the constitutionality of each and every executive order it covers. Just because Carter had over 300 executive orders doesn't mean that even a single one of them was inappropriate or unconstitutional. If Obama has one that is unconstitutional and Carter has 300 that aren't, then Obama has abused the provision and Carter has not. It's that simple - can't you see the problem with that?
    It is very relevant to how often such things have been done. With Obama too many act like's well beyond the pale when in fact he's right with what has been done. Bush pushed it a lot, and nary a complaint from conservatives or libertarians. Much of what they have called unconstitutional has held up in the courts. The fact is those who hate Obama hate more than they reason.

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