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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree with the deceitful actions. It just doesn't have to be war either. All presidents lie about a myriad of things to get their agenda passed and implemented, some are innocent exaggerations and others are down right lies when a presidents knows what he is saying isn't true. Most think the public is out there to be manipulated into supporting any presidents views and agenda. War or military action is no different when it comes to lies and deceitfulness than on domestic agendas.

    If a candidate wasn't willing to do what ever it took to be elected and to deceive the voters into voting for him instead of his opponent, he wouldn't be holding elected office today.
    I agree. Defeatist as that is. All politicians are deceitful liars who can't be trusted and do "whatever it takes" (very open ended there) to get elected. Making a mockery of the whole exercise of elections and the notion that Americans are involved in the process of choosing a president. But Americans will, nevertheless, line up at the polling booths and participate in the charade.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree. Defeatist as that is. All politicians are deceitful liars who can't be trusted and do "whatever it takes" (very open ended there) to get elected. Making a mockery of the whole exercise of elections and the notion that Americans are involved in the process of choosing a president. But Americans will, nevertheless, line up at the polling booths and participate in the charade.
    For the politicians, they truly believe they can fool all the people, all the time.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For the politicians, they truly believe they can fool all the people, all the time.
    Considering the fact that that is indeed what they do (though I would alter that to read 'most of the people' which is all they need) I would argue that they are right.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Then why even bring it up?

    Can't you stick with the things that matter?

    Seriously, why did you bring it up?
    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.

    REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK HAGEL-2007

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...mment-22064968
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.

    REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK HAGEL-2007

    David Frum, the Iraq war and oil | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com
    Did you read the source link the partisan guardian uses?

    http://www.newsweek.com/speechwriter...iraq-war-62895

    To imply it was about oil ignores the whole of the article.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Considering the fact that that is indeed what they do (though I would alter that to read 'most of the people' which is all they need) I would argue that they are right.
    And that is the sad part about all of this. The standard mantra of a politician is to tell the people what they want to hear and then once elected, do as you want.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I just said its unimportant. VP's dont set policy.
    Dick Cheney ran that executive office.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Did you read the source link the partisan guardian uses?

    http://www.newsweek.com/speechwriter...iraq-war-62895

    To imply it was about oil ignores the whole of the article.
    I'm sure is hard to swallow, but there's only three Americans left that don't know that the Iraq war was about oil.

    Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said in an interview that the removal of Saddam Hussein had been "essential" to secure world oil supplies, a point he emphasized to the White House in private conversations before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    (CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.
    It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.
    Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

    Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...q-2269610.html

    London, May 1 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. and U.K. went to war against Iraq because of the Middle East country's oil reserves, an adviser to British Prime Minister Tony Blair said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ahJS35XsmXGg
    Last edited by Montecresto; 06-26-14 at 09:24 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Dick Cheney ran that executive office.
    Yes we are familiar with lefty dogma.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sure is hard to swallow, but there's only three Americans left that don't know that the Iraq war was about oil.

    Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said in an interview that the removal of Saddam Hussein had been "essential" to secure world oil supplies, a point he emphasized to the White House in private conversations before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    (CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.
    It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.
    Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

    Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.

    Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

    London, May 1 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. and U.K. went to war against Iraq because of the Middle East country's oil reserves, an adviser to British Prime Minister Tony Blair said.

    U.S., U.K. Waged War on Iraq Because of Oil, Blair Adviser Says - Bloomberg
    Links of opinion stated by people when several factors were in play?

    Ok.....

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