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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The russians dont hate themselves like the American left does.
    I haven't noticed the American Left hating on itself one iota dude.
    I have noticed the right-wing TEAs hating all over the RINOs today after their shennanigans using Cochran DEMs.
    Your next two Senate primaries to watch are on August 5th and 7th, with KS and TN.
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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well most democrats that supported the Iraq war have flipped on it. Only the original war hawks stand by it.
    Please don't forget that the democrats were all for invading Iraq in the late 90's. A bill was passed and Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act.

    So...

    Did they flip for political reasons, or actual merit. This matters as well.

    When new information becomes available, it is appropriate for someone to change their mind. On a serious matter like going to war, shouldn't the information be real good?

    This gives a better view of Cheney's reasoning if you watch between the 29:35 and 38:05 time index. The YouTube snippet starts at 36:07.

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?58277-1...er-dick-cheney

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    We should have stayed out of the ME period. Either way, the fact remains that Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney was correct. The fact we toppled Saddam made it exponentially worse.
    Hindsight is 20-20...

    What about the Iraqi Liberation Act?

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Japan bombed us after a major, albeit quiet campaign against Japan designed to illicit such an attack, well documented this is in secretary Stimsons diary. A Gallop poll in April of 42 had 80% of Americans steadfastly against US involvement in another world war. A huge impediment for any president. Simultaneously, Germany was being provoked as well, only Hitler knew better than to take the bait. The day after the anticipated attack on PH, the same Gallop poll nicely reversed.
    yeah, I know some of it. how the embargo of iron and steel, scrap metal and oil to Japan along with other things. But personally I think it was a good thing we did get involved when we did. I know FDR would have continued to look and provoke, but without the United States involvement Hitler might have ended up victorious. After consolidating Europe and Russia who know what Hitler would have done. The same for Japan, even with our involvement in the Pacific, she did get awful close to Australia. Sometimes it is for the best things happened as they did.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    To be honest I dont blame the events in ME on any American-because this goes back much longer than we can imagine. American Presidents like to think they can change that region but they can't. We dont even have the frame of reference. However-I can and DO hold our President responsible for the things he can and does control, like withdrawing troops of leaving the ME to extremists who WILL attack us.

    Im less concerned about "protecting" our military by withdrawing them. The point is to fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. Our military WANTS to do this. Its polictics-and the willingness to lose for political purposes that drives me nuts.

    I think a particularly fitting outcome from our "open minded" liberals would be to ship them to the west bank, or ISIS, or Afghanistan. Let them get acquainted, surely they will come to an understanding.
    I get the part about fighting terror over there and not here. But that isn't going to be a successful avenue as long as Obama is in office. The left treats terrorists like victims of their circumstances. It was Nancy Pelosi and her entourage against the Bush administration's plea that sought an audience with Assad. It was Jimmy Carter against the Bush administration that sought an audience with the terrorist group Hezbollah. It was President Obama that opened the White House to the Brotherhood and it was reported that officials in the Obama administration met with the terrorist group Hamas. The Obama administration was slow to declare Boko Haram a terrorist organization while the carnage and pleas for help from others to do so went on for years. This isn't how you deal with terrorists and those who harbor them. If they were really concerned with terrorism, do you think our borders would be so porous? Heck no. They are fargin clueless and as long as the clueless are in charge, bring our soldiers home, they deserve better.
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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Avoiding war all together is both attainable and the best policy, unless you're a war hawk of course.
    LOL...

    You need to listen to what Cheney says in the video I posted in #162, after speaking of Iraq becoming a quagmire. Start at 37:22.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left has made it clear they will lose a war for politics. Not even the best military can prevent that.
    Oh so you cant win the war got it. I thought you said you weren't going to lose this war. Yet here you are on an internet chat board admitting you can't win. So much fail in your comments it's funny.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    At the time Biden was not VP, he was part of congress and very much supported the war. Of course, he magically switched sides and dems forgot about his words once you all decided you valued your parties politics over American security.
    How many times must you be told, I value neither parties politics. I just finished criticising Biden didn't I though? I support a scant amount of Obama policies.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    yeah, I know some of it. how the embargo of iron and steel, scrap metal and oil to Japan along with other things. But personally I think it was a good thing we did get involved when we did. I know FDR would have continued to look and provoke, but without the United States involvement Hitler might have ended up victorious. After consolidating Europe and Russia who know what Hitler would have done. The same for Japan, even with our involvement in the Pacific, she did get awful close to Australia. Sometimes it is for the best things happened as they did.
    That wasn't the point. The point was that we have had presidents that have been deceitful with the American people to garner support for war, whether or not you agree with the presidents actions in hind sight.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Hindsight is 20-20...

    What about the Iraqi Liberation Act?
    What about Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL!! Suddenly changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom so as to not be so obvious.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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