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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Thanks OBAMA!!!1!!!!!!!!!

    Seriously? Can you make just one post without blaming Obama for things he has no bearing on? I'd sure as hell hate to be your dentist when you have a toothache.
    No--he can't.
    Continued problem with the Loyal Opposition is they speak with two wings--elite/NEO and tea/ISO.
    He's been speaking of the power vacuum Obama has left--
    maybe he shpould focus on the vacuum left when Saddam was ken out -
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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

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    Is peace at any cost worth it?

    Im very much partisan and even more so pro American-but to cling to a dream that peace in the middle east is something achievable after centuries of conflicts because YOU want to feel good about its possibility is naive. Peace alone at the expense of millions killed in the ME isn't really a true peace. Peace at all costs is ridiculous.
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    Some good points. That said amongst the terror groups, maybe we should provide supplies-to the losing side. Leave them fighting each other, its good for us, and I dont care about them. Civilians are another matter.
    Does anyone else see something a bit incoherent here? Not to mention the whole "peace at the cost of millions dying" bit. USC... peace means NOT killing therefore if there are millions being killed its not peace.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    I've heard of people speaking of the Reagan missiles to Iran for the hostages.
    I would hand that one to GHWB, the CIA's man.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Worked great when Reagan militarized Iraq and Iran at the same time and they fought it out didn't it? /sarcasm
    They called them Reagan DEMs before they called them Cochran DEMs, as the two GOP wings battle for Reagan's name.
    Reagan was born less than 100 miles from where I live--in the heart of Reagan Democrat country .
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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    No--he can't.
    Continued problem with the Loyal Opposition is they speak with two wings--elite/NEO and tea/ISO.
    He's been speaking of the power vacuum Obama has left--
    maybe he shpould focus on the vacuum left when Saddam was ken out -
    When it comes to the whole power vacuum, maybe he'd consider listening to what this guy had to say in 1994 in the post Gulf War era when asked if we should have taken down saddam and taken over Baghdad.



    So US Conservative... anything you have to say to Cheney here?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    All I can say is there is one heck of a mess in Iraq. The Shia government we installed has the backing of Iran, our enemy or adversary as we try to prevent them from getting nukes. The Shia government we installed has the backing of Syria and Assad, the same Assad we are attempting to overthrow or get rid of. The Shia government has our support. The Sunni Rebels are getting financial support from the Saudis, Kuwait and Qatar, our allies.

    Does anybody have a scorecard or a program with all the names on it so I can keep it straight as to whom is involved and which side they are on?
    Its a crap sandwich. But frankly thats the normal state of the ME. Obama almost armed those Sunni rebels as the FSA.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That sounds like a plan I would support.
    Me too, which means it will never happen.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps in your view. I can only view in terms of the situation on the ground when we, the U.S. military departed. What happened after that is out of the control of the U.S. military. Even out of control of President Obama and the politicians in the United States. We left Miliki basically a country at peace and a foundation he could continue to build on. If he had continued along that path I can guarantee you what you see happening today would not be. ISIS was not formed until April of 2013, the actions of Miliki help lead to that formation along with the war in Syria.

    But the really sad part in all of this is that back in 1990 if our Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie had told Saddam not to invade Kuwait, none of this would have happened:

    transcript (the one published in The New York Times on 23 September 1990) has Glaspie saying:

    “ But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 1960s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi (Chedli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League) or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. ”
    When these purported transcripts were made public, Glaspie was accused of having given tacit approval for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which took place on August 2, 1990. It was argued that Glaspie's statements that "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts" and that "the Kuwait issue is not associated with America" were interpreted by Saddam as giving free rein to handle his disputes with Kuwait as he saw fit. It was also argued that Saddam would not have invaded Kuwait had he been given an explicit warning that such an invasion would be met with force by the United States.[2][3] Journalist Edward Mortimer wrote in the New York Review of Books in November 1990:

    “ It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait, but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law.
    We can agree on the matter that none of this would have happened if the Whitehouse would have dispatched April Glaspie with a different message on Kuwait.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its a crap sandwich. But frankly thats the normal state of the ME. Obama almost armed those Sunni rebels as the FSA.
    Now you are basing your debate on "almost" now?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    When it comes to the whole power vacuum, maybe he'd consider listening to what this guy had to say in 1994 in the post Gulf War era when asked if we should have taken down saddam and taken over Baghdad.

    So US Conservative... anything you have to say to Cheney here?
    Syria fully recognizes they are fighting a united front ISILS extending into their territory.
    ISILS is now every bit the entity as the Kurds are now and the sects seem to be sorting out before all hell breaks loose.

    Does that sound like something I want to be in.
    Probably to protect refineries and Baghdad and get a stalemate for now .
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    Re: Syrian Warplanes Strike in Western Iraq, Killing at Least 50 People

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    A recent poll shows 2/3 of Americans want nothing to do with Iraq. They just want more jobs and immigration addressed. So you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
    Nobody wanted 9/11 to happen either. If we leave with AQ and other terrorist groups spreading out all over the world its just a matter of time until we are attacked again. I understand the war fatigue, I dont understand leaving of our own accord a situation even worse than pre 9/11.

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