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U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

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I thought we were talking about economics. Again, you may think that is the outcome, but do you really think that is the motivation?

Absolutely. They don't give a ****.

 
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How are you a libertarian exactly?

Ah, questioning my lean now.
 
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Do libertarians admit when they are wrong or does the liberal in libertarian come out and prevent you from doing that? My post was quite specific regarding the minimum wage as being a state issue which you ignored. Why would any Libertarian put so much faith in the Federal Govt. that has run up a 17.5 trillion dollar debt doing a good job in personal social issues/responsibilities?

I'm married to a college educated woman, I admit that I am wrong at least once a day (even when I'm not).

Minimum wage like you said, which I didn't disagree with, is a state issue. However, when wages become stagnant and the state government sits on their hands while their citizens suffer is a time for federal intervention.

As I said earlier, I'm not a partisan and I put my fellow Americans before ANY labeling political ideology. Why can't you?
 
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I'm married to a college educated woman, I admit that I am wrong at least once a day (even when I'm not).

Minimum wage like you said, which I didn't disagree with, is a state issue. However, when wages become stagnant and the state government sits on their hands while their citizens suffer is a time for federal intervention.

As I said earlier, I'm not a partisan and I put my fellow Americans before ANY labeling political ideology. Why can't you?

If you sincerely put the American people above politics then you wouldn't support a arbitrary Government mandated wage increase.
 
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I'm married to a college educated woman, I admit that I am wrong at least once a day (even when I'm not).

Minimum wage like you said, which I didn't disagree with, is a state issue. However, when wages become stagnant and the state government sits on their hands while their citizens suffer is a time for federal intervention.

As I said earlier, I'm not a partisan and I put my fellow Americans before ANY labeling political ideology. Why can't you?

See a libertarian would never see using force to interfere in consensual transactions (labor agreements) as acceptable. Thats why we're confused. You think anyone who believes in limiting govt WANTS to hurt people.
 
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No, but you can certainly cut the size of the 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt and do what most Americans do if you predict less money coming in although after every tax cut when fully implemented Income tax revenue to the govt. increased and in many cases to record levels. You see, putting more money into the hands of the American people creates the atmosphere for economic growth and job creation. Reagan created 17 million jobs, Bush after 9/11 created 9 million jobs until 2008 and those results are undeniable. You claim it didn't have anything to do with the tax cuts but cannot prove differently. Will never understand people like you who seem to have a problem keeping more of what you earn and yet never question how your tax dollars are being spent by bloated Federal bureaucrats all because they tell you it is spending in the name of compassion.

Will you agree to stop spending money of wars? On nation building?

And no president created a single job. Not one. At least not outside of growing the government and government jobs.
 
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See a libertarian would never see using force to interfere in consensual transactions (labor agreements) as acceptable. Thats why we're confused. You think anyone who believes in limiting govt WANTS to hurt people.

Lol because those who routinely call for a limited government pick & choose what to limit, sorta like how religious people pick & choose what tenants they'll live by & respect. When those two intersect, poor & disadvantaged people, ironically, get cast aside. But at the same time, they call for restricting a woman's right to make her own reproductive decisions. Or take natural disasters, you know, earthquakes/wild fires/mud slides/floods/tornadoes/hurricanes that completely destroy towns. I'm sure there are limited government spouting people that live in the affected area. Yet, "please help me government," comes out of their mouth. Essentially, the limited government crowd is against the other takers and not when they need something like help.

It's a bull**** dog & pony show, man.
 
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Will you agree to stop spending money of wars? On nation building?

And no president created a single job. Not one. At least not outside of growing the government and government jobs.


Nonsense.

ObamaCare's been killing job growth since it was passed.
 
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Domestic policy is different than foreign policy. The former requires heart while the latter requires cold realism.

I'm sorry, but if keeping my fellow Americans alive via government assistance comes with the consequence that they do not vote for your team, then so be it. Why? People's lives > politics.

That actually is a cop out and not the role of a bureaucrat in D.C. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a problem in your community and what makes you think that bureaucrat can do a better job than your local community in solving a social problem? You put a lot of faith in a Govt. that has over 100 million people dependent on it and a 17.5 trillion dollar debt. Looks like a typical divert from your own personal issues and passing on your problems to the Federal Govt.
 
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I'm married to a college educated woman, I admit that I am wrong at least once a day (even when I'm not).

Minimum wage like you said, which I didn't disagree with, is a state issue. However, when wages become stagnant and the state government sits on their hands while their citizens suffer is a time for federal intervention.

As I said earlier, I'm not a partisan and I put my fellow Americans before ANY labeling political ideology. Why can't you?

No, what you do is think with your heart and not your brain. This country was founded on the basis of a small central govt. If your state govt is sitting on its hands aren't you closer to that govt. than the Federal Govt in D.C.? I would have thought 8 years of Democrat rule would have solved the problems in your state but as usual it didn't. I am sorry but we have local, state, and federal governments, figure out what they do or should be doing and stop trying to get a one size fits all federal program for the 50 independent states
 
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Will you agree to stop spending money of wars? On nation building?

And no president created a single job. Not one. At least not outside of growing the government and government jobs.

It isn't the wars that created the 17.5 trillion dollar debt it is Federal involvement in micromanagement of social issue. Defense is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. not social welfare. We were attacked in 9/11. Like far too many you have no understanding as to the federal govt. roles and responsibilities. The war in Iraq was authorized by Congress but again that is for another thread, not diversion from the Obama economic record.
 
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I thought you guys believe the numbers given by the government were BS.

Is it accurate now?
General rule of thumb when the government tells you something isn't going so well....

It's either worse than they say, or better than they say, depending on what kind of response they want you to have.

Occasionally they slip up and give out accurate information. But it is then almost invariably skewed or distorted in some way by the "news" media, so the chances of getting accurate information are virtually nonexistent.


tl;dr it doesn't matter what the news says, believe what you will, since it's probably closer to the truth yet still too far away to even see it.

goddamn I'm cynical tonight.
 
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Nonsense.

ObamaCare's been killing job growth since it was passed.

Not supported by independent facts. Sorry.
 
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It isn't the wars that created the 17.5 trillion dollar debt it is Federal involvement in micromanagement of social issue. Defense is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. not social welfare. We were attacked in 9/11. Like far too many you have no understanding as to the federal govt. roles and responsibilities. The war in Iraq was authorized by Congress but again that is for another thread, not diversion from the Obama economic record.

So you're more than willing to throw money down a rat hole. Wars. Nation building. But never for am American citizen.

I understand.
 
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Interesting how liberals get most of their opinions from Stewart, not surprising

Didn't get it from. Just recognized that he's correct.
 
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Absolutely. They don't give a ****.

There's a right time and a proper amount for both domestic spending and foreign aid/military spending.


Neither the democrats or the republicans have it right or proper.
 
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Not supported by independent facts. Sorry.



Huh ??

What " independent facts " would you be referring too ?
 
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Huh ??

What " independent facts " would you be referring too ?
Independent facts do not exist. Never have.
 
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Huh ??

What " independent facts " would you be referring too ?

Any showing ACA is the cause for anything.
 
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Any showing ACA is the cause for anything.

Still waiting for your " independent facts".
 
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Still waiting for your " independent facts".

Perhaps you s,hound reread what I said. You're the one who needs independent facts.
 
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So you're more than willing to throw money down a rat hole. Wars. Nation building. But never for am American citizen.

I understand.

Unlike you I understand the role of the Federal Govt. which is to defend this nation. It is the role of the state and local govt. to handle social issues. Rather simple concept and basic civics.
 
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Didn't get it from. Just recognized that he's correct.

In your opinion, and in the arrogant liberal world liberal opinion is always right in spite of evidence to the contrary,
 
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