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U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

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Did you or did you not post the following?



Minimum wage increase does nothing but drive up union costs and hurts the people it is supposed to help. Stop buying the rhetoric and think. Who pays for that wage increase? Businesses?

Again, I really don't think you have a good grasp of reality nor do you understand the various roles of the Federal, state, and local governments? Every state has the ability to raise the minimum wage so why does this have to be nationally?

Yeah, cause when my minimum wage increased it sure hurt me... :roll:

Better compensated employees = satisfied employees = better productivity = less waste = more profits.
 
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The ideology of limited government? Yeah, in the areas where money goes to help poor & disadvantaged Americans. But not in a woman's reproductive rights. Or in creating new bureaucracies, see D.H.S. Or if some foreign country is being attacked. The ideology of limited government only applies when it is convenient & in areas where the person saying it wants it to be applied.

And yes, they ARE intentionally hurting American citizens. Why? Because when you, for example, slash food stamps, it HURTS people that NEED the program TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE. That's reality.

I am sure you have a good heart and mean well but stop thinking with your heart and use the brain. Do you really believe that we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt and individual state taxes to fund help to those truly in need? Stop buying the liberal rhetoric for all liberals really care about is keeping people dependent and thus retaining their power. Nothing hurts liberalism more than individuals keeping more of what they earn thus need less of that so called liberal help
 
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Yeah, cause when my minimum wage increased it sure hurt me... :roll:

Better compensated employees = satisfied employees = better productivity = less waste = more profits.

Your minimum wage is paid for by someone else or if it isn't you are going to lose your jobs. Nothing you say refutes the fact that minimum wage is a state issue and not a federal issue because the cost of living varies by states. The one size fits all Federal problem hurts those it is intended to help. If you make the federal minimum wage for a long period of time you are being overpaid at that federal minimum wage

Better compensated employees earn that compensation, aren't mandated a certain wage by the Federal govt.
 
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The ideology of limited government? Yeah, in the areas where money goes to help poor & disadvantaged Americans. But not in a woman's reproductive rights. Or in creating new bureaucracies, see D.H.S. Or if some foreign country is being attacked. The ideology of limited government only applies when it is convenient & in areas where the person saying it wants it to be applied.

And yes, they ARE intentionally hurting American citizens. Why? Because when you, for example, slash food stamps, it HURTS people that NEED the program TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE. That's reality.

I thought we were talking about economics. Again, you may think that is the outcome, but do you really think that is the motivation?
 
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Yeah, cause when my minimum wage increased it sure hurt me... :roll:

Better compensated employees = satisfied employees = better productivity = less waste = more profits.

How are you a libertarian exactly?
 
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I understand that leadership isn't something you understand but I certainly would like to know exactly what Obama didn't get that he wanted from the Democrat controlled Congress in 2009-2010. Leadership is about talking responsibility and not placing blame.

You don't seem to get it, we contracted almost 3% so a 3% gain in the second quarter puts us back to zero. In an economy that contracted like it did in 2008 should be in the 6-7% range creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. That isn't going to happen with liberal economic policies

I find liberal excuse making tiresome and a waste of time to respond. there is a reason Obama has such poor JAR numbers, maybe you can figure them out. As long as you have such low expectations that is always what you are going to get.

What liberal economic policies are you talking about? I'm not sure what you're saying has caused the economy harm. I think it's pretty believable that the harsh winter caused some of this, because economic growth has been steady for a couple years now. I understand that it's not what we want it to be, but I don't see how a color and letter next to Obama's name have had anything to do with that.
 
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The ideology of limited government? Yeah, in the areas where money goes to help poor & disadvantaged Americans. But not in a woman's reproductive rights. Or in creating new bureaucracies, see D.H.S. Or if some foreign country is being attacked. The ideology of limited government only applies when it is convenient & in areas where the person saying it wants it to be applied.

And yes, they ARE intentionally hurting American citizens. Why? Because when you, for example, slash food stamps, it HURTS people that NEED the program TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE. That's reality.

Do libertarians admit when they are wrong or does the liberal in libertarian come out and prevent you from doing that? My post was quite specific regarding the minimum wage as being a state issue which you ignored. Why would any Libertarian put so much faith in the Federal Govt. that has run up a 17.5 trillion dollar debt doing a good job in personal social issues/responsibilities?
 
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Yeah, cause when my minimum wage increased it sure hurt me... :roll:

Better compensated employees = satisfied employees = better productivity = less waste = more profits.


sorry....but no

the floor sweeper can only sweep so fast

the dishwasher isnt doing dishes any faster

and the hamburgers only cook so fast

we are talking minimum wage jobs here....they have very little to do with overall productivity of a business

what they do is the "scut" work that you dont want a sous chef, who you pay $ 22 an hour for, to do

now saying that....i will also add that i do think that minimum wage can and should be raised

but nowhere near what some people are saying

we can go from $ 7.25 to $ 9.50 an hour over the next few years

businesses will be able to handle that type of increase....at least most of them

but the talk of $ 15.00 is absolute lunacy at best....it would destroy the jobs you are talking about

my wife has put off automation in a few spots because of capital outlay for her business

and she will probably continue to do so at under $ 10 an hour

over that....now you are hitting the point to where it makes fiscal sense to put 20k into a machine that can do what a person used to do
 
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What liberal economic policies are you talking about? I'm not sure what you're saying has caused the economy harm. I think it's pretty believable that the harsh winter caused some of this, because economic growth has been steady for a couple years now. I understand that it's not what we want it to be, but I don't see how a color and letter next to Obama's name have had anything to do with that.

It really is hard to explain private sector economics to people who don't understand personal investment, personal risk taking, profit demand, regulations, high taxes(Federal, State,Local), hiring costs, termination costs, and never getting a guaranteed paycheck. Liberals look at business as big conglomerates not the local dry cleaner, drug store, food market etc and that is the engine that drives this economy. Who pays for Obamanomics? The business owner? No, the customer, the poor people in the community. Any idea what it costs to open a business today and the regulations and fees that have to be paid?

What you and others don't seem to understand is small businesses aren't counted in the BLS data and those who have gone out of business are every bit as unemployed as a worker laid off with the difference being they don't get an unemployment check.

It is people like you who want to make this a race issue or a political issue, It is neither, it is incompetence and a community agitator who has no understanding how the private sector works or the experience for the job he holds. He isn't the king he thinks he is and the American economy and small businesses are suffering.
 
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It really is hard to explain private sector economics to people who don't understand personal investment, personal risk taking, profit demand, regulations, high taxes(Federal, State,Local), hiring costs, termination costs, and never getting a guaranteed paycheck. Liberals look at business as big conglomerates not the local dry cleaner, drug store, food market etc and that is the engine that drives this economy. Who pays for Obamanomics? The business owner? No, the customer, the poor people in the community. Any idea what it costs to open a business today and the regulations and fees that have to be paid?

What you and others don't seem to understand is small businesses aren't counted in the BLS data and those who have gone out of business are every bit as unemployed as a worker laid off with the difference being they don't get an unemployment check.

It is people like you who want to make this a race issue or a political issue, It is neither, it is incompetence and a community agitator who has no understanding how the private sector works or the experience for the job he holds. He isn't the king he thinks he is and the American economy and small businesses are suffering.

Yeah I just can't stop talking about race :roll:
So you didn't answer my question at all. I'm guessing you're just talking about the ACA, amirite? Because I asked you what liberal economic policies you're talking about and I got nothing from you. It seems like you think that as soon as a democrat becomes President, taxes on small business owners skyrocket without any legislation or even outlined policy. What economic policies changed between 2008 and now that you believe are hurting businesses?
 
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Yeah I just can't stop talking about race :roll:
So you didn't answer my question at all. I'm guessing you're just talking about the ACA, amirite? Because I asked you what liberal economic policies you're talking about and I got nothing from you. It seems like you think that as soon as a democrat becomes President, taxes on small business owners skyrocket without any legislation or even outlined policy. What economic policies changed between 2008 and now that you believe are hurting businesses?


Minimum Wage is a liberal economic program that hurts the poor and small businesses, Federal emissions laws when states have their own EPA, NLRB that rules on state employment issues like that in S.C., Opposition to the Keystone Pipeline when the states have approved it, ACA of course, attacks on individual wealth creation and promoting higher taxes on those that produce. Obviously living in Minnesota the socialist media there isn't telling you what is going on and you probably wouldn't understand it anyway

By the way, sorry if your reference to color was not about race. I didn't bring up color, you did

I don't see how a color and letter next to Obama's name have had anything to do with that.
 
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Minimum Wage is a liberal economic program that hurts the poor and small businesses, Federal emissions laws when states have their own EPA, NLRB that rules on state employment issues like that in S.C., Opposition to the Keystone Pipeline when the states have approved it, ACA of course, attacks on individual wealth creation and promoting higher taxes on those that produce. Obviously living in Minnesota the socialist media there isn't telling you what is going on and you probably wouldn't understand it anyway

By the way, sorry if your reference to color was not about race. I didn't bring up color, you did

I was talking about the color blue. But I don't see how EPA standards have any effect on small businesses. That's something that relates to really, really, really big businesses. Like Cargill, which is based in Minnesota. Or 3M, which is based in Minnesota too. Moving on, most of the Keystone Pipeline is operational now, right? And that's.... so what's the problem there? That part of it hasn't been approved yet? Well, it will be. But I don't think reviewing the Keystone Pipeline has much to do with slow economic growth, that's a single hot button issue even though domestic oil production is higher right now than I think ever before. It's certainly grown during Obama's tenure. So again, I think you're wrong. And the "attacks on individual wealth creation" is just rhetoric, it literally means nothing in this case.

Yeah, the Minnesota media is super socialist, 99% of the reporting is about weather, fishing, and hunting, but the other 1% is about how Castro's Cuba is just. By the way, Minnesota has consistently been near the top for education, standard of living, health. In a lot of areas we are #1 or close to it. So the presumption that I'm too stupid to understand the world because I'm from Minnesota is pretty absurd.
 
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It really is hard to explain private sector economics to people who don't understand personal investment, personal risk taking, profit demand, regulations, high taxes(Federal, State,Local), hiring costs, termination costs, and never getting a guaranteed paycheck. Liberals look at business as big conglomerates not the local dry cleaner, drug store, food market etc and that is the engine that drives this economy.

This is wrong. Big business is the engine that drives the economy.

Who pays for Obamanomics? The business owner? No, the customer, the poor people in the community. Any idea what it costs to open a business today and the regulations and fees that have to be paid?

It's fairly cheap to start a business...
 
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Really? You have no problem posting charts showing that tax cuts caused the deficits while ignoring the fact that economic activity improves with tax cuts and cannot prove that the tax cuts didn't cause that activity. So how can tax cuts cause a reduction of revenue when revenue grew after the tax cuts? How do you know the activity would have been the same without those tax cuts?

Carter was a good man but typical of all liberals refusing to admit that govt. micro management of the economy caused the mess that Reagan inherited and continue to cause the problems we have today. Liberals never learn from history, they just repeat it.

I've actually had no trouble showing that they made no actual difference. I've also linked economists and others saying the effect is minor. Compared to other factors. So, I stand on pretty firm ground here.
 
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I understand that leadership isn't something you understand but I certainly would like to know exactly what Obama didn't get that he wanted from the Democrat controlled Congress in 2009-2010. Leadership is about talking responsibility and not placing blame.

You don't seem to get it, we contracted almost 3% so a 3% gain in the second quarter puts us back to zero. In an economy that contracted like it did in 2008 should be in the 6-7% range creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. That isn't going to happen with liberal economic policies

I find liberal excuse making tiresome and a waste of time to respond. there is a reason Obama has such poor JAR numbers, maybe you can figure them out. As long as you have such low expectations that is always what you are going to get.

Are you familiar with the term "filibuster?"
 
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This is wrong. Big business is the engine that drives the economy.



It's fairly cheap to start a business...

Your opinion noted but obviously you have never started a business. Further your definition of big business? That isn't the engine that drives the economy, the small town businesses do that and those are the ones liberals are killing. You think big business pays minimum wage? If so you really are very naive.
 
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I was talking about the color blue. But I don't see how EPA standards have any effect on small businesses. That's something that relates to really, really, really big businesses. Like Cargill, which is based in Minnesota. Or 3M, which is based in Minnesota too. Moving on, most of the Keystone Pipeline is operational now, right? And that's.... so what's the problem there? That part of it hasn't been approved yet? Well, it will be. But I don't think reviewing the Keystone Pipeline has much to do with slow economic growth, that's a single hot button issue even though domestic oil production is higher right now than I think ever before. It's certainly grown during Obama's tenure. So again, I think you're wrong. And the "attacks on individual wealth creation" is just rhetoric, it literally means nothing in this case.

Yeah, the Minnesota media is super socialist, 99% of the reporting is about weather, fishing, and hunting, but the other 1% is about how Castro's Cuba is just. By the way, Minnesota has consistently been near the top for education, standard of living, health. In a lot of areas we are #1 or close to it. So the presumption that I'm too stupid to understand the world because I'm from Minnesota is pretty absurd.

You have no idea how much regulations cost small businesses. Stop buying the rhetoric and get the actual results. Being from Minnesota certainly has skewed your ability to do any research.
 
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I've actually had no trouble showing that they made no actual difference. I've also linked economists and others saying the effect is minor. Compared to other factors. So, I stand on pretty firm ground here.

No, you cannot show that they had no difference because the results show they have. You deny that reality but have no problem believing tax cuts or people keeping more of what they earn contributed significantly to the deficit. That is what you want to believe and therefore nothing is going to change your mind. The reality is however that you are defeating your own argument and the results make you look foolish. You cannot explain how 17 million jobs were created after the tax cuts nor can you prove that those jobs would have been created without the tax cuts. You want to buy what certain economists tell you and ignore economists that differ with you
 
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Are you familiar with the term "filibuster?"

Yes, and the House cannot filibuster anything. Democrats know how to filibuster in the Senate just like Republicans, the difference is Obama has no interest in negotiating with anyone and instead believes he is king. Do you realize that Reagan got over 60 Democrats to agree with his economic plan. That is what leaders are capable of doing. Obama is no leader, has no leadership skills nor do most of his supporters.
 
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No, you cannot show that they had no difference because the results show they have. You deny that reality but have no problem believing tax cuts or people keeping more of what they earn contributed significantly to the deficit. That is what you want to believe and therefore nothing is going to change your mind. The reality is however that you are defeating your own argument and the results make you look foolish. You cannot explain how 17 million jobs were created after the tax cuts nor can you prove that those jobs would have been created without the tax cuts. You want to buy what certain economists tell you and ignore economists that differ with you

No, they don't. This recession, for example, is under the Bush tax cuts. But don't start. We both the trouble you have reading your own stats.
 
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No, they don't. This recession, for example, is under the Bush tax cuts. But don't start. We both the trouble you have reading your own stats.

This recession is also under the JFK and Reagan Tax cuts as well so apparently tax cuts are supposed to last for ever regardless of the reality that expenses especially the size of the Federal Govt. continues to increase. Absolutlely amazing how little logic and common sense liberals have. The Bush tax cuts were fully implemented after July 2003 and we were five years later when the recession began.

Keep posting the negative, partisan articles promoting bigger govt. and that tax cuts are an expense to that govt. We all know exactly where you stand and how you have a problem keeping more of even what you earn.
 
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This recession is also under the JFK and Reagan Tax cuts as well so apparently tax cuts are supposed to last for ever regardless of the reality that expenses especially the size of the Federal Govt. continues to increase. Absolutlely amazing how little logic and common sense liberals have. The Bush tax cuts were fully implemented after July 2003 and we were five years later when the recession began.

Keep posting the negative, partisan articles promoting bigger govt. and that tax cuts are an expense to that govt. We all know exactly where you stand and how you have a problem keeping more of even what you earn.

And you can't cut them to zero either. If they were the largest factor, we wouldn't be here now.
 
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And you can't cut them to zero either. If they were the largest factor, we wouldn't be here now.

No, but you can certainly cut the size of the 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt and do what most Americans do if you predict less money coming in although after every tax cut when fully implemented Income tax revenue to the govt. increased and in many cases to record levels. You see, putting more money into the hands of the American people creates the atmosphere for economic growth and job creation. Reagan created 17 million jobs, Bush after 9/11 created 9 million jobs until 2008 and those results are undeniable. You claim it didn't have anything to do with the tax cuts but cannot prove differently. Will never understand people like you who seem to have a problem keeping more of what you earn and yet never question how your tax dollars are being spent by bloated Federal bureaucrats all because they tell you it is spending in the name of compassion.
 
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I am sure you have a good heart and mean well but stop thinking with your heart and use the brain. Do you really believe that we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt and individual state taxes to fund help to those truly in need? Stop buying the liberal rhetoric for all liberals really care about is keeping people dependent and thus retaining their power. Nothing hurts liberalism more than individuals keeping more of what they earn thus need less of that so called liberal help

Domestic policy is different than foreign policy. The former requires heart while the latter requires cold realism.

I'm sorry, but if keeping my fellow Americans alive via government assistance comes with the consequence that they do not vote for your team, then so be it. Why? People's lives > politics.
 
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