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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's subjective. Meanwhile, we've been burdened with national debt for 35 years, both parties nearly equally contributing to it, receding economy and political gridlock, and blaming it all on one person or party seems the best solution to you.
    We have had a national debt for every year except for one in the 236 year history of this country. That year was 1837, and we went into a depression that year.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They are CBO numbers fed through TPM propaganda. The CBO didn't create those charts. TPM is the one trying to make debt and deficit mean the same thing.



    No hurt feelings. You gave in to TPM propaganda. I also realize you refused to answer my simple question about who added the most to the national debt, sorry if that fact hurts your feelings.
    Our national debt has grown under every recent president, and generally, each president has exceeded the previous in national debt growth.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Our national debt has grown under every recent president, and generally, each president has exceeded the previous in national debt growth.
    Indeed it has, and Obama is on pace to more than double the debt rise under Bush. This is why the budget growth argument is utter bull crap meant to hide the actual numbers.

    Even giving ALL of the 2009 budget to Bush (which is questionable given that Obama signed the Omnibus Bill that funded half of the 2009 budget) Obama has still equaled Bushes 8 year debt in 5 years.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Indeed it has, and Obama is on pace to more than double the debt rise under Bush. This is why the budget growth argument is utter bull crap meant to hide the actual numbers.

    Even giving ALL of the 2009 budget to Bush (which is questionable given that Obama signed the Omnibus Bill that funded half of the 2009 budget) Obama has still equaled Bushes 8 year debt in 5 years.
    Take a look at where Reagan was compared to Carter five years into his presidency. Or where the second Bush was compared to Clinton.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    We have had a national debt for every year except for one in the 236 year history of this country. That year was 1837, and we went into a depression that year.
    Thanks imagep! "Burdened" was the key word. After 200 years of accumulation, we had a 900 billion ND. In eight short years of the Reagan administration that had tripled. Bush-2 doubled it from 5-10, Obama is on track to doubling it again. The Reagan era ended our lending policies and made us the biggest debtor nation. My point. We have a systemic problem, not a particular party problem.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Thanks imagep! "Burdened" was the key word. After 200 years of accumulation, we had a 900 billion ND. In eight short years of the Reagan administration that had tripled. Bush-2 doubled it from 5-10, Obama is on track to doubling it again. The Reagan era ended our lending policies and made us the biggest debtor nation. My point. We have a systemic problem, not a particular party problem.
    True. But what did you expect?

    1/2 of the people want more and more and more from the government, and the other 1/2 of the people don't want to pay for it.

    The government, that'd be the politicians, don't have the backbone to tell first 1/2 'No', and nor do they have the backbone to tell the second 1/2 they have to pay for it. Solution: Government can borrow more and politicians appease both groups and stay in office.

    Everyone does realize that it's the government's entitlement programs that are driving the debt, right?
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Take a look at where Reagan was compared to Carter five years into his presidency. Or where the second Bush was compared to Clinton.
    Compare Obama to all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True. But what did you expect?

    1/2 of the people want more and more and more from the government, and the other 1/2 of the people don't want to pay for it.

    The government, that'd be the politicians, don't have the backbone to tell first 1/2 'No', and nor do they have the backbone to tell the second 1/2 they have to pay for it. Solution: Government can borrow more and politicians appease both groups and stay in office.

    Everyone does realize that it's the government's entitlement programs that are driving the debt, right?
    I have no expectations! Partisanship has dashed all such hopes of a remedy by only being concerned about a growing national debt (or ant problem for that matter) when the opposing party is in power.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's subjective. Meanwhile, we've been burdened with national debt for 35 years, both parties nearly equally contributing to it, receding economy and political gridlock, and blaming it all on one person or party seems the best solution to you.
    There's nothing subjective about the truth.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487:681]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There's nothing subjective about the truth.
    And there are no similarities between truth and partisan talking points.
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