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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I never understood Iraq, however Saddam was a nut that continually violated human rights so I'm not bent.

    IMO, should have bombed Iraq back to the stone age..... Also, since Iraq did in fact happen we should have stayed there. Of course Obama is an idiot playing harp strings to progressives so he didn't for his own image rather than the safety of the Iraqi people....
    The humanitarian argument, though, opens the door for War on every continent that has people.

    And yes, I do agree with the "we should have stayed" even though I believe we should have never been there to begin with. Why? Because all of the effort made was flushed down the toilet.

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    Your opinion noted, the difference being that the Congress approved the war and did so across party lines including a report from the Democrat Senate Oversight committee who had the same access to information that Bush had but this is nothing more than typical diversion and ignorance of the Constitution. Provide for the Common Defense is spelled out and whether or not you think Iraq was in our common defense is irrelevant, Congress did in a non partisan way

    Only in the liberal world can a bureaucrat in D.C. help solve a social problem in your local community and the cost doesn't matter. You continue to ignore the reality that social problems are state and local issues since the citizens of the state bear those costs not the Federal Taxpayer making it a state issue not a Federal one. You have offered no valid reason for the Federal Govt. to provide funding for state and local social issues other than your opinion which come from your heart and not your brain.
    1) Who gives a flying **** what Congress thought in a non-partisan way? They're not infallible. They have a long history of epic ****-ups ranging from slavery, repression & genocide. The Iraq War was just another layer upon that bitter history.

    2) Your denseness on the federal vs. state/local assistance is quite unbecoming. And you continue to ignore the reality of what Ive told you with appropriate examples, see: Detroit & Saginaw or the Big Three in your state.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    1) Who gives a flying **** what Congress thought in a non-partisan way? They're not infallible. They have a long history of epic ****-ups ranging from slavery, repression & genocide. The Iraq War was just another layer upon that bitter history.

    2) Your denseness on the federal vs. state/local assistance is quite unbecoming. And you continue to ignore the reality of what Ive told you with appropriate examples, see: Detroit & Saginaw or the Big Three in your state.
    You have yet to offer nothing other than your personal opinion. It isn't the Federal Govt's role to take care of people in your local community as it was never set up to do that and has no business doing that. People closest to the situation are the ones. Interesting how the people of TX seem to handle their own problems and only when the Federal Govt. gets involved do things get screwed up and cost more than intended doing less than intended. You continue to promote bigger govt. in spite of the poor Federal Govt. results.

    By the way, did you serve in Iraq? I had three family members that did and they have a different opinion of the war than those who don't and who simply buy what they are told.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    1) Do you know what the D.I.A. is? It stands for Defense Intelligence Agency. It's DOD's version of the C.I.A. So having the D.I.A. & intelligence agencies from every branch is an expensive & unnecessary redundancy.

    2) In an address to Congress almost 20 years ago Netanyahu said he wanted Israel to stand on its own power. That still isn't happening.

    3) The government has no right to dictate to adults what they can & cannot do with their bodies.

    4) Military adventurism conducted in the name other than protecting the actual homeland is wasted lives, resources & money.

    5) So you don't think space exploration isn't important. When will it be?

    6) I never said I didn't argue against them - I said I didn't argue against them all.

    7) My suggestions for cuts were not a spur of the moment thing in this back-and-forth. I've talked about each one of them here or elsewhere online previously.
    And yet you assumed mine were, and I hadnt.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The humanitarian argument, though, opens the door for War on every continent that has people.

    And yes, I do agree with the "we should have stayed" even though I believe we should have never been there to begin with. Why? Because all of the effort made was flushed down the toilet.
    I suppose you cant help the world but doing what is in your power is what matters.....

    For instance not every person can feed the homeless in the US but you can donate to 2-3....

    To sit back and do nothing about Iraq would be wrong. I don't agree with the way it was done but I'm certainly satisfied that Saadam got what he bargained for..... That was justice. However today - Iraq is in anarchy.

    Obama shouldn't even be able to pretend to know what he is doing....

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    And yet you assumed mine were, and I hadnt.
    Why wouldn't I, particularly when it comes to space. The longevity of our species depends on getting off this planet hence why I asked you when will it become important to you.

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    You have yet to offer nothing other than your personal opinion. It isn't the Federal Govt's role to take care of people in your local community as it was never set up to do that and has no business doing that. People closest to the situation are the ones. Interesting how the people of TX seem to handle their own problems and only when the Federal Govt. gets involved do things get screwed up and cost more than intended doing less than intended. You continue to promote bigger govt. in spite of the poor Federal Govt. results.

    By the way, did you serve in Iraq? I had three family members that did and they have a different opinion of the war than those who don't and who simply buy what they are told.
    1) Keeping Americans alive & fed is not poor results. And why do you insist on dodging the example of Detroit? You maintain that it is the local & state governments responsibility. But do you believe that is actually feasible without sacrificing the rest of the people in the state who are in need because of considerably more restricted funds? Look, I get that the Constitution was not set up for it but I doubt our Founding Fathers anticipated a 340,000,000 or so population in this country & the problems associated with it or a hyper-competitive globalized world. Basically, what I'm driving at is that we shouldn't allow words on paper that cannot handle being exposed to air to restrict our country's ability to help & keep our brothers & sisters alive. A modern humanitarian crisis is a valid rationale for superseding 230+ year old words.

    2) Negative, I did not serve in Iraq. And like you & millions of other Americans, I know countless guys who did which includes many of my friends from my hometown who I've known for 20+ years & countless brothers in the Corps. There is hardly a favorable consensus among veterans on the merits of the War which is only getting worse due to the current situation in which vets of the War are likening it to "their Vietnam experience." And the problems with the VA are only exacerbating the situation.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Jango;1063470418]1) Keeping Americans alive & fed is not poor results. And why do you insist on dodging the example of Detroit? You maintain that it is the local & state governments responsibility. But do you believe that is actually feasible without sacrificing the rest of the people in the state who are in need because of considerably more restricted funds? Look, I get that the Constitution was not set up for it but I doubt our Founding Fathers anticipated a 340,000,000 or so population in this country & the problems associated with it or a hyper-competitive globalized world. Basically, what I'm driving at is that we shouldn't allow words on paper that cannot handle being exposed to air to restrict our country's ability to help & keep our brothers & sisters alive. A modern humanitarian crisis is a valid rationale for superseding 230+ year old words.
    So you believe we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. to keep people alive? You really are very naive, very poorly informed, and have no concept as to what your taxes fund at the Federal, State, and local levels. Michigan has extremely high taxes and you believe those aren't enough to keep people properly fed and alive? Stop thinking only with your heart.

    You really believe that the rest of the people in the state would be sacrificed because they took care of the people of Detroit? Where do you get this information? Do you have any Charities in Detroit like St. Vincent de Paul? Texas seems to have gotten it right but why not Michigan? TX is the fastest growing state in the nation and number two in population so if it can be done here it can be done in Michigan.

    2) Negative, I did not serve in Iraq. And like you & millions of other Americans, I know countless guys who did which includes many of my friends from my hometown who I've known for 20+ years & countless brothers in the Corps. There is hardly a favorable consensus among veterans on the merits of the War which is only getting worse due to the current situation in which vets of the War are likening it to "their Vietnam experience." And the problems with the VA are only exacerbating the situation.
    So your opinion of the war comes from what you get in the media and although I respect your friends' opinions I do have empathy for the disaster that Obama has created. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. He ignored the Status of Forces agreement and because Iraq was the "wrong" war, did nothing to negotiate American troops remaining in Iraq like they have done in Korea and Germany. It is like Vietnam because our military won the war and the bureaucrats lost the peace. Happens all the time and yet this is who you want funding programs to feed people in Michigan? Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I suppose you cant help the world but doing what is in your power is what matters.....

    For instance not every person can feed the homeless in the US but you can donate to 2-3....

    To sit back and do nothing about Iraq would be wrong. I don't agree with the way it was done but I'm certainly satisfied that Saadam got what he bargained for..... That was justice. However today - Iraq is in anarchy.

    Obama shouldn't even be able to pretend to know what he is doing....
    Yes, Saddam being found in a spider hole and being hung to death was fitting for a demon of his caliber. But there are many like him walking around free & alive today, like the fat ass tyrant from North Korea or the "Supreme Leader" of Iran or the dictatorial monarchies around the world including allies. Should we invade them all too? If no, why not? People are treated terribly there too. Or is there a specific body count # that must be reached before our intervention can be launched? 60,000 dead? If yes, we're invading Mexico to wipe out the cartels whom we armed. 100,000 dead? Then we're invading Syria in which we'll start killing the rebels we've spent hundreds of millions on.

    The humanitarian angle in geopolitics is just lip service, man, because U.S. foreign policy has ignored countless humanitarian catastrophes over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you believe we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. to keep people alive? You really are very naive, very poorly informed, and have no concept as to what your taxes fund at the Federal, State, and local levels. Michigan has extremely high taxes and you believe those aren't enough to keep people properly fed and alive? Stop thinking only with your heart.

    You really believe that the rest of the people in the state would be sacrificed because they took care of the people of Detroit? Where do you get this information? Do you have any Charities in Detroit like St. Vincent de Paul? Texas seems to have gotten it right but why not Michigan? TX is the fastest growing state in the nation and number two in population so if it can be done here it can be done in Michigan.

    So your opinion of the war comes from what you get in the media and although I respect your friends' opinions I do have empathy for the disaster that Obama has created. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. He ignored the Status of Forces agreement and because Iraq was the "wrong" war, did nothing to negotiate American troops remaining in Iraq like they have done in Korea and Germany. It is like Vietnam because our military won the war and the bureaucrats lost the peace. Happens all the time and yet this is who you want funding programs to feed people in Michigan? Wow

    1) I get my information about the Iraq War same as you: people I know who were there, media, think tanks, the government & documentation they allow to see the light of day in the public arena.

    2) As I said to another member here in regards to the Status of Forces agreement, what was supposed to be done once Maliki & now Karzai said, "**** you America, I don't want you or your troops' help, get the **** out of my country." We don't have Jedis who can wave a hand in their face and say, "You want us here." So what was supposed to be done? Assassinate Maliki? Replace him with someone we could control? If we did that we'd be ****ting all over one of our biggest rationales: liberating the people of Iraq & creating a democracy. So, tell me, how would you negotiate with Maliki after he like Karzai absolutely refused to agree to give our boys immunity from Iraqi law - how do you get him to change his mind?

    3) Of course there are charities in Detroit. However, private sponsored philanthropy only goes so far.

    4) A $3,800,000,000,000 budget is of course excessive. The budget and our debt alongside it have been growing even before I was born. 9/11 intensified our spending as did the 2008 financial crisis both of which were outside the control of private citizens who of course, took the brunt of the calamities created by other people. It would be one of the worst mistakes this country's government has ever made if they cut off assistance to 10,000,000+ people who still need it because they've yet to recover from the devastation brought upon them. I don't see how anyone in good conscience could suggest such a thing for their fellow citizen.

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