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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats not how I did it. THose are simply the most obvious ones. But even then you had an argument against cutting it. So what happens when I get to the less obvious ones. You tell me, name me something the govt does that you can live without.
    Looks to me like Jango is a big govt. liberal who got his leaning wrong. Seems Jango expects the massive central govt. to take money from the taxpayers and spend it on programs that he deems necessary and refuses to go after the citizens of Michigan for. This is what happens when you create an entitlement mentality and that means taking from someone else in other states to solve personal social problems in your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats not how I did it. THose are simply the most obvious ones. But even then you had an argument against cutting it. So what happens when I get to the less obvious ones. You tell me, name me something the govt does that you can live without.
    Roger that.

    How about tanks being built that politicians want but the military doesn't. Or every branch of the military having an intelligence outfit while the D.I.A. still exists. Or more-and-more federal agencies having SWAT teams of their own. Spending $500,000,000 on people fighting our enemies in the ME because after our enemies are dead or have fled the ****heads we dropped coin on will turn on us. Sinking $8,000,000,000 into Africa. Protecting Europe from Europe. Protecting Israel from Arabs. The War on Drugs. Military adventurism.

    And I did not argue against them all, I just pointed out on some of them what would happen if it was removed. Why? Because it is easy to say "Cut it" without thinking of the consequences that would follow.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Looks to me like Jango is a big govt. liberal who got his leaning wrong. Seems Jango expects the massive central govt. to take money from the taxpayers and spend it on programs that he deems necessary and refuses to go after the citizens of Michigan for. This is what happens when you create an entitlement mentality and that means taking from someone else in other states to solve personal social problems in your own.


    But it's okay to spend trillions of taxpayer dollars fighting unwinnable Wars trying to solve foreigner's problems or keeping people from using drugs?

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

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    But it's okay to spend trillions of taxpayer dollars fighting unwinnable Wars trying to solve foreigner's problems or keeping people from using drugs?
    Whether or not you liked the war is irrelevant, Bush got Congressional Approval to do that and defense is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. It was a Democrat Senate that gave him authorization when they didn't have to even bring it up for a vote. You seem to have a very distorted view of the Constitution, suggest you read it.

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    Whether or not you liked the war is irrelevant, Bush got Congressional Approval to do that and defense is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. It was a Democrat Senate that gave him authorization when they didn't have to even bring it up for a vote. You seem to have a very distorted view of the Constitution, suggest you read it.
    Defense from what though, Saddam's crippled military and missiles that couldn't reach the U.S.? Afghanistan was justified because of 9/11. Iraq had 0 legitimate justification.

    Government assistance has Congressional approval too, and to you that's wrong whereas spending trillions helping Iraqis (and Israel) is entirely justifiable. Where are your priorities because they're certainly not with your fellow citizens.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Roger that.

    How about tanks being built that politicians want but the military doesn't. Or every branch of the military having an intelligence outfit while the D.I.A. still exists. Or more-and-more federal agencies having SWAT teams of their own. Spending $500,000,000 on people fighting our enemies in the ME because after our enemies are dead or have fled the ****heads we dropped coin on will turn on us. Sinking $8,000,000,000 into Africa. Protecting Europe from Europe. Protecting Israel from Arabs. The War on Drugs. Military adventurism.

    And I did not argue against them all, I just pointed out on some of them what would happen if it was removed. Why? Because it is easy to say "Cut it" without thinking of the consequences that would follow.
    But you thought long and hard about the effects of ending military intelligence, military adventurism or war on drugs or Israel before just saying 'cut it'? Furthermore you did argue against the things i listed

    1) Disagree. Space is our future.
    Only now we're just arguing about arguing. Which means this is a pointless conversation. We have a fundemental difference in the role of govt. I think its to defend my life and freedom. You think its to explore space or deliver the mail, to provide social services in essence.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q[W:487]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q | Fox Business

    Congratulations, Liberals, you are getting what you want, A European Socialist economy dependent on a Federal Govt. run by liberals and with more people dependent on that govt. for existence. This is exactly what you get when you elect and re-elect a totally unqualified individual to the highest office in the land, High unemployment, high debt, low economic growth are the new normal in this country
    They're not "liberals" they're fascists....

    Real liberals don't believe in big government, banning products, Obamacare, dictated economies and outcomes etc....

    The "liberals" you speak of are authoritarian fascists, and calling them "liberal" degrades the value and meaning of the term "liberal."

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

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    ango;1063469522]Defense from what though, Saddam's crippled military and missiles that couldn't reach the U.S.? Afghanistan was justified because of 9/11. Iraq had 0 legitimate justification.
    Your opinion noted, the difference being that the Congress approved the war and did so across party lines including a report from the Democrat Senate Oversight committee who had the same access to information that Bush had but this is nothing more than typical diversion and ignorance of the Constitution. Provide for the Common Defense is spelled out and whether or not you think Iraq was in our common defense is irrelevant, Congress did in a non partisan way

    Government assistance has Congressional approval too, and to you that's wrong whereas spending trillions helping Iraqis (and Israel) is entirely justifiable. Where are your priorities because they're certainly not with your fellow citizens.
    Only in the liberal world can a bureaucrat in D.C. help solve a social problem in your local community and the cost doesn't matter. You continue to ignore the reality that social problems are state and local issues since the citizens of the state bear those costs not the Federal Taxpayer making it a state issue not a Federal one. You have offered no valid reason for the Federal Govt. to provide funding for state and local social issues other than your opinion which come from your heart and not your brain.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Defense from what though, Saddam's crippled military and missiles that couldn't reach the U.S.? Afghanistan was justified because of 9/11. Iraq had 0 legitimate justification.

    Government assistance has Congressional approval too, and to you that's wrong whereas spending trillions helping Iraqis (and Israel) is entirely justifiable. Where are your priorities because they're certainly not with your fellow citizens.
    I never understood Iraq, however Saddam was a nut that continually violated human rights so I'm not bent.

    IMO, should have bombed Iraq back to the stone age..... Also, since Iraq did in fact happen we should have stayed there. Of course Obama is an idiot playing harp strings to progressives so he didn't for his own image rather than the safety of the Iraqi people....

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But you thought long and hard about the effects of ending military intelligence, military adventurism or war on drugs or Israel before just saying 'cut it'? Furthermore you did argue against the things i listed



    Only now we're just arguing about arguing. Which means this is a pointless conversation. We have a fundemental difference in the role of govt. I think its to defend my life and freedom. You think its to explore space or deliver the mail, to provide social services in essence.
    1) Do you know what the D.I.A. is? It stands for Defense Intelligence Agency. It's DOD's version of the C.I.A. So having the D.I.A. & intelligence agencies from every branch is an expensive & unnecessary redundancy.

    2) In an address to Congress almost 20 years ago Netanyahu said he wanted Israel to stand on its own power. That still isn't happening.

    3) The government has no right to dictate to adults what they can & cannot do with their bodies.

    4) Military adventurism conducted in the name other than protecting the actual homeland is wasted lives, resources & money.

    5) So you don't think space exploration isn't important. When will it be?

    6) I never said I didn't argue against them - I said I didn't argue against them all.

    7) My suggestions for cuts were not a spur of the moment thing in this back-and-forth. I've talked about each one of them here or elsewhere online previously.

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