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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yup, those are pretty basic.
    Basic for whom? You believe record profits mean record return on investments?

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    no.....

    We are at the end of the Q1 earnings season, with results from only 38 S&P 500 members still awaited at this stage. The reporting cycle has ended for 10 of the 16 Zacks sectors and even the Retail sector now has Q1 results from 74% of the sector’s total market capitalization. As such, the remaining reports are unlikely to change the Q1 earnings picture in any meaningful way.

    What we saw this earnings season was anemic growth and continuation of the negative guidance that has become a recurring theme quarter after quarter for more than a year now.

    This didn’t come as a surprise, as earnings growth has been hard to come by for some time and Q1’s unique issues only added to those pre-existing challenges. Weather became a recurring theme in everything related to Q1. The U.S. economy’s growth numbers for the quarter provide a good context for the earnings performance of Wal-Mart (wmt), FedEx (fdx) and many others in Q1. With respect to the economy, however, more recent economic data is pointing towards improved growth momentum from Q2 onwards, even though the pathway to the more aggressively optimistic GDP growth estimates is unclear at this stage.

    We are not seeing anything comparable on the earnings front, with estimates for the current period starting to follow the trend that has been in place for almost two years now – they are going down. This is a trend that has been in place for almost two years now, with the pace expected to accelerate further in the coming days.

    Q1 Earnings Season Coming to an End - May 15, 2014 - Zacks.com
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

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    Basic for whom? You believe record profits mean record return on investments?
    Basic for anyone that has done anything in business at any level.




    As for return on investment...I'm not sure where you are going. Capital investment has been low since the recession. The idea that return on investment is a drag on corporations just isn't true.
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Basic for anyone that has done anything in business at any level.




    As for return on investment...I'm not sure where you are going. Capital investment has been low since the recession. The idea that return on investment is a drag on corporations just isn't true.
    Obviously you have never run a business for there is more to capital investment than current capital investments. Why don't you find out what the ROI and ROE are for those businesses making record profits. Most are public companies and you can find access to that information. Not sure you have any interest in doing that and simply just want to continue to spout liberal rhetoric.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Too bad personal spending is not bouncing back at all. A lot of data is still outstanding, so one cannot make a meaningful judgment based on what data has been presented. Personal spending did prompt a number of downgrades to estimates, though. History suggests Q1 was the starting point of a recession.
    Since GDP reports have been compiled on a regular basis, it is true that every quarter in which GDP fell at a 2.9% or greater annual rate either occurred during a recession or just prior to one. The largest drop that did not precede a recession was 1.5%. Still, even as there are some macroeconomic factors involved, there are also temporary factors (including but not limited to weather). Overall, I believe the best narrative for the year as a whole will be generally moderate growth. Rapid growth appears unlikely. Sluggish growth is a possibility, especially if some of the larger headwinds intensify.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obviously you have never run a business for there is more to capital investment than current capital investments. Why don't you find out what the ROI and ROE are for those businesses making record profits. Most are public companies and you can find access to that information. Not sure you have any interest in doing that and simply just want to continue to spout liberal rhetoric.
    Actually you're the one making a statement that ROI has been a burden for corporations. Why don't you go ahead and prove it. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not going to show you're wrong so that you can move the goal post like you always do..
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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually you're the one making a statement that ROI has been a burden for corporations. Why don't you go ahead and prove it. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not going to show you're wrong so that you can move the goal post like you always do..
    Prove it to you? I am tired of doing that. I post data and you ignore it or move on to something else. The way to learn is to research it yourself. Tell me the name of a company making record profits and then find out what their return is on investment and equity? You are going to find that the businesses making the highest return are actually businesses that I am sure that you support.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted as well as your total lack of understanding as to how a private sector economy works. You point to small increases in GDP by the various issues but those small increases are still increases and grow the economy as well as create a multiplier effect but I don't expect someone like you or anyone else who believes in Obamanomics to understand that

    The private sector requires investment capital and confidence to grow and create jobs. That isn't going to happen under Obama and liberal economic policies. It is the private sector that is going to get us out of this mess not the European socialist model and that will never happen with Obama in the WH
    Several quick things:

    First, having spent most of my career in the private sector, I believe I have a reasonable understanding of its dynamics and its role in the overall economy. Moreover, I don't believe the message to which you responded advocated a "European socialist model" so I'm not sure why it is an issue.

    Second, even with the high-range of multipliers (~2 +/- 0.5), the small decline in coal production has only a very small macroeconomic impact.

    Third, business climate depends on many factors, only one of which is public policy. As noted previously, the tax law changes have produced a modest drag on economic growth. CBO has also reached such a conclusion. The biggest factor that has held back hiring was uncertainty as it related to aggregate demand. Until aggregate demand has reached a point where productivity gains are insufficient to cover that demand and until that level of demand is perceived as sustainable, businesses will be reluctant to hire. Of course, not all industries face the same situation. Hence, in some industries, hiring has been fairly robust. In others, it hasn't.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doubt most liberals know the difference and have no clue as to what ROI means
    Profit = Total income minus total expenses. Expressed in currency amounts.
    Profit margin: Net income divided by revenues (or sales). Expressed as a percentage.
    ROI = Return on investment. Calculated as ((Gain from investment) - (cost of investment)) / (Cost of investment)

    Companies are making record profits for many reasons. A big one is that wages are dropping while productivity is still improving. Another is that corporations are generally cutting back on capex. Profits are also at record highs despite high levels of uncertainty.... go figure.

    Anyway. It might be the case that among the general public, conservatives understand certain economic terms better than progressives. However, it is fallacious to accuse people of not knowing economics solely because you disagree with them.

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    Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks By Most Since Great Recession in 1Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Profit = Total income minus total expenses. Expressed in currency amounts.
    Profit margin: Net income divided by revenues (or sales). Expressed as a percentage.
    ROI = Return on investment. Calculated as ((Gain from investment) - (cost of investment)) / (Cost of investment)

    Companies are making record profits for many reasons. A big one is that wages are dropping while productivity is still improving. Another is that corporations are generally cutting back on capex. Profits are also at record highs despite high levels of uncertainty.... go figure.

    Anyway. It might be the case that among the general public, conservatives understand certain economic terms better than progressives. However, it is fallacious to accuse people of not knowing economics solely because you disagree with them.
    Thank you for the advice, but I make my comments based upon responses that show Progressives/Liberals out of touch with reality and how in a private sector economy they attack wealth creation, show jealousy of others by caring more about what someone else makes and pays in taxes, but nothing about the trillions being wasted by the Federal Govt. all in the name of compassion but never generating compassionate results.

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