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Cochran wins

The Mark said:
So far as I can tell, it's basically just this:


Got the info from here, which was linked to from some site called "ballotpedia"



It appears to be unenforceable and thus meaningless.
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Yes, it isn't allowed, yet unlikely to tell.
 
Excon said:
Yes, it isn't allowed, yet unlikely to tell.
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It's basically unenforceable unless the person doing so admits to it.

Unless poll officials are allowed to match names to ballots and compare the primary ballots to the main election ballots.

Which seems questionable at best.
 
The Mark said:
It's basically unenforceable unless the person doing so admits to it.

Unless poll officials are allowed to match names to ballots and compare the primary ballots to the main election ballots.

Which seems questionable at best.
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As I believe was shown earlier, reviewing the records can determine if the person voted in both primaries.
Now you may not be able to prove whether or not they had changed their minds and really intended to vote for a republican later, but that is highly unlikely.
Especially as we know about the racist targeted ads to get them to vote for Cochran so McDaniel's would lose.

Just that alone speaks to fraud. Couple that with the many dual votes in both primaries. There is no reason to think that McDaniel may not succeed getting this primary kicked.


And then you have this over at politico.

Yeah, it just reeks of fraud.


My solution would be to disqualify Cochran for soliciting fraud.
And then force all those who voted in both primaries to maintain that of their last stated intent. Vote for a republican or stay home. :mrgreen:
 
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Kobie said:
Is there a law in Mississippi that disallows people from voting in both open primaries?
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Yes. It is illegal for a voter in Mississippi to vote in both the democrat and republican party primaries. You can vote in one or the other. Not both.
 
The Mark said:
So far as I can tell, it's basically just this:


Got the info from here, which was linked to from some site called "ballotpedia"




It appears to be unenforceable and thus meaningless.
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You are not getting it. We are talking about just the primary...not both the primary and the general election. The most recent election in Mississippi was a runoff election between the two top candidates for senate in the GOP primary. McDaniel received more votes then Cochran in the original primary, however neither of the two reached the 50% threshold so they had a runoff election. What's at question are the votes for Cochran from democrats who had already voted in the democrat primary. Those are illegal votes and it is quite enforceable. What is unenforceable is the pledge that the democrat party makes you sign to support the democrat candidate in the general election if you voted for him in the primary. Voters are entitled to vote for whichever candidate they choose in the general election.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are not getting it. We are talking about just the primary...not both the primary and the general election. The most recent election in Mississippi was a runoff election between the two top candidates for senate in the GOP primary. McDaniel received more votes then Cochran in the original primary, however neither of the two reached the 50% threshold so they had a runoff election. What's at question are the votes for Cochran from democrats who had already voted in the democrat primary. Those are illegal votes and it is quite enforceable. What is unenforceable is the pledge that the democrat party makes you sign to support the democrat candidate in the general election if you voted for him in the primary. Voters are entitled to vote for whichever candidate they choose in the general election.
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That makes more sense then.

If someone already voted in a primary, voting in the OTHER primary is highly questionable at best. How the hell did they do that, anyways? Are the Dem and Rep primaries on different days?
 
The Mark said:
That makes more sense then.

If someone already voted in a primary, voting in the OTHER primary is highly questionable at best. How the hell did they do that, anyways? Are the Dem and Rep primaries on different days?
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The initial republican primary(held on the same day as the democrat primary) ended with McDaniel getting the most votes. However the winning candidate must reach the 50% threshold to avoid a runoff election. He failed to do that. Therefore a runoff election was later held. That is where democrats who had already voted in their own primary illegally voted in the GOP runoff election. Cochran won with democrat votes a growing number of which are turning out to be illegal.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The initial republican primary(held on the same day as the democrat primary) ended with McDaniel getting the most votes. However the winning candidate must reach the 50% threshold to avoid a runoff election. He failed to do that. Therefore a runoff election was later held. That is where democrats who had already voted in their own primary illegally voted in the GOP runoff election. Cochran won with democrat votes a growing number of which are turning out to be illegal.
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Ah...

Also I realize you said that before but I somehow missed it..../facepalm
 
Excon said:
As I believe was shown earlier, reviewing the records can determine if the person voted in both primaries.
Now you may not be able to prove whether or not they had changed their minds and really intended to vote for a republican later, but that is highly unlikely.
Especially as we know about the racist targeted ads to get them to vote for Cochran so McDaniel's would lose.

Just that alone speaks to fraud. Couple that with the many dual votes in both primaries. There is no reason to think that McDaniel may not succeed getting this primary kicked.


And then you have this over at politico.

Yeah, it just reeks of fraud.


My solution would be to disqualify Cochran for soliciting fraud.
And then force all those who voted in both primaries to maintain that of their last stated intent. Vote for a republican or stay home. :mrgreen:
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Your solution is criminal. Saying you owe us is a long standing practice in politics. I guess when black people do it is a crime. Like driving through town on a sunny day.

The Tea Party supporters have lost their minds because they were out played. The whining from them is getting tiring.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The initial republican primary(held on the same day as the democrat primary) ended with McDaniel getting the most votes. However the winning candidate must reach the 50% threshold to avoid a runoff election. He failed to do that. Therefore a runoff election was later held. That is where democrats who had already voted in their own primary illegally voted in the GOP runoff election. Cochran won with democrat votes a growing number of which are turning out to be illegal.
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Except many of them are not illegal.........
 
The Mark said:
Ah...

Also I realize you said that before but I somehow missed it..../facepalm
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No problem......most in the country have missed it. I just happen to reside in one of the neighboring states.
 
Sababa said:
Your solution is criminal.
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1.) I see you do not know how to interpret the green smiley. :doh Which came after one specific.
2.) Since you made the criminal claim, prove it in regards to the other.

Sababa said:
.. they were out played.
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And you calling false claims of racism being "out played" is very telling.
 
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Sababa said:
Your solution is criminal. Saying you owe us is a long standing practice in politics. I guess when black people do it is a crime. Like driving through town on a sunny day.

The Tea Party supporters have lost their minds because they were out played. The whining from them is getting tiring.
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When anyone votes in the both the democrat primary and the republican primary, it is illegal. And you are doing the whining.
 
ObamacareFail said:
When anyone votes in the both the democrat primary and the republican primary, it is illegal. And you are doing the whining.
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share with us the number of voters which were found to have voted in both elections, for different parties, and compare that to the winning margin cochran received
 
ObamacareFail said:
When anyone votes in the both the democrat primary and the republican primary, it is illegal. And you are doing the whining.
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Either way a Republican won. I don't see what your problem is.
 
rocket88 said:
Either way a Republican won. I don't see what your problem is.
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One republican is a conservative, one is a politician, and the politician possibly got elected because a bunch of people who previously voted in the Democrat primary voted for him.

If true, that means the election should have gone to the other guy, and vote fraud or something illegal went on.

That alone is enough, without adding political reasons into the mix.
 
What I love about the Cochran threads is the tremendous amount of butthurt they seem to induce.
 
Just an update for those interested.



McDaniel alleges 8,300 questionable ballots

Posted on July 11, 2014 by Bobby Harrison in News
By Bobby Harrison
Daily Journal Jackson Bureau

JACKSON — State Sen. Chris McDaniel, still refusing to give up his challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. Thad Cochran, said Friday via e-mail his campaign had found 8,300 questionable ballots across the state from the June 24 Republican primary runoff.

He said many of those “were unquestionably cast by voters ineligible to participate in the June 24th runoff election” that McDaniel lost to Cochran

McDaniel promised a Wednesday news conference “to discuss the evidence we have documented and our next steps.”
McDaniel has said before he intends to file a legal challenge to the June 24 election where Cochran defeated him by 194,932 votes to 187,265 votes.​

McDaniel alleges 8,300 questionable ballots | Daily Journal​

If the 8300 number reflects actual questionable ballots, then there should be no option but to overturn the primary. :shrug:
 
The big question to me is whether McDaniel makes this so bitter that his people stay home or switch to Childers, no liberal .
 
It's a true shame if Cochran won due to illegal voting. I heard some of the radio ads that his people ran, and they are absolutely despicable.
 
jamesrage said:
I do not think democrats back then resorted to sexual puns like they do now.
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You do realize that "tea bagger" was actually coined by members of the tea party movement? It was only after members of the liberal press had fun with the name that thae red-faced tea partiers tried deflect and sell us on the notion that the libs made up the name. Want to see a hundred pictures of tea parties wearing tea bags and holding declaring themselves "tea-baggers"?
 
Excon said:
Just an update for those interested.


McDaniel alleges 8,300 questionable ballots

Posted on July 11, 2014 by Bobby Harrison in News
By Bobby Harrison
Daily Journal Jackson Bureau

JACKSON — State Sen. Chris McDaniel, still refusing to give up his challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. Thad Cochran, said Friday via e-mail his campaign had found 8,300 questionable ballots across the state from the June 24 Republican primary runoff.

He said many of those “were unquestionably cast by voters ineligible to participate in the June 24th runoff election” that McDaniel lost to Cochran

McDaniel promised a Wednesday news conference “to discuss the evidence we have documented and our next steps.”
McDaniel has said before he intends to file a legal challenge to the June 24 election where Cochran defeated him by 194,932 votes to 187,265 votes.​


McDaniel alleges 8,300 questionable ballots | Daily Journal​

If the 8300 number reflects actual questionable ballots, then there should be no option but to overturn the primary. :shrug:
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Let me help you with the math: Cochran defeated McDaniel by 7,667 votes.

Let me help you with the politics: McDaniel scrambled to present every vote he could possibly declare "questionable" so he could create doubt. Unfortunately, 8,500 is all he could muster.

Let me help you with the logic: McDaniel needs to have 1) every one of those questionable votes to be Cochran votes AND 2) have nearly 91% of those "questionable votes" declared invalid.

Let me help you with the probability: Its most likely McDaniel scrambled and had a big net for "questionable"... its very, very, very unlikely EVERY one of those votes would be thrown out.

Let me help you with life: This one is over. The goose is cooked. Get on with your life.
 
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upsideguy said:
Let me help you with the math: Cochran defeated McDaniel by 7,667 votes.
Let me help you with the politics: McDaniel scrambled and presented every vote he could that could be deemed "questionable" - 8,500 is all he could muster
Let me help you with the logic: McDaniel needs to have 1) every one of those questionable votes, votes for Cochran AND 2) nearly 91% of those "questionable votes" declared invalid
Let me help you with the probability: Its most likely McDaniel scrambled and had a big net for "questionable"... very, very, very unlikely EVERY one of those votes would be throw out.
Let me help you with life: This one is over. The goose is cooked. Get on with your life.
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Let me help you out. Read what you quoted.


Excon said:
If the 8300 number reflects actual questionable ballots, then there should be no option but to overturn the primary. :shrug:
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Do you not know what the word "if" means?


And like I said elsewhere. It is up to the Courts if what he files is excepted. Do you doubt that Mister his goose is cooked?
 
Excon said:
Let me help you out. Read what you quoted.


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Do you not know what the word "if" means?


And like I said elsewhere. It is up to the Courts if what he files is excepted. Do you doubt that Mister his goose is cooked?
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Let me help you out: 8300 questionable ballots is not enough to re-do the election or change its outcome. (Actually, the chance of an election re-do is almost nil, unless there is something in Mississippi election law I don't know about --- though I do not know Mississippi election law, do-overs are almost non-existant). Again, the court would apply much of the same logic I just did. They will review the nature of the "questionability" and ONLY if they had some reason to believe that 93% of them (I just used bad math as I originally thought we were talking about 8.500 questionable ballots, when it was 8,300) were invalid would they ever do anything. They would recount; but they will not re-do.

This is a lost cause of McDaniel. His argument is poor and his prospects of moving beyond this point are even poorer. The election has been certified by the party. His argument is weak. His remedies are nebulous, at best. He merely appears to everyone a sore loser. Don't be a sore loser, too: get on with your life.
 
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upsideguy said:
Let me help you out: 8500 questionable ballots is not enough to re-do the election. Again, the court would apply much of the same logic I just did. They will review the nature of the "questionability" and ONLY if they had some reason to believe that 93% of them (I just used bad math as I originally thought we were talking about 8.500 questionable ballots, when it was 8,300) were invalid would they ever do anything. They will recount; but they will re-do. This is a lost cause of McDaniel. His argument is poor and his prospects of moving beyond this point are even poorer. Get on with your life.
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You clearly are confused, and obviously didn't understand the simple word of "if", because if the 8300 hundred are "actual questionable ballots," then yes it is sufficient number to force another run-off. Or in the alternative, Cochran can concede.

So again, pay attention to what was said and not to what you wanted to have been said.



And that 8300 hundred is only out of what they were allowed to look at.

Chris McDaniel Asks Mississippi Court To Open Poll Records

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State Sen. Chris McDaniel is trying to prove that some people who voted in the June 24 runoff also voted in the June 3 Democratic primary, which would be illegal. His goal is to force another runoff.

On Monday, he asked the court for an emergency order forcing Harrison County Circuit Clerk Gayle Parker to let him see original copies of poll books.

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Chris McDaniel Asks Mississippi Court To Open Poll Records​




Miss. high court seeks more info from McDaniel
He has a claim that is being entertained, let the courts figure it out.


As for your juvenile "Get on with your life" comment. :doh That clearly is what you need to do.

I provided an update to that which some find interesting.
And while you may want to be (as displayed by your behavior), you are not the arbiter of what gets posted, or of what others find interesting. So yeah, your own words apply more to you than to me.
 
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