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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Vaccinations and smoking aren't really comparable.
    They aren't comparable at all.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I see, you didn't actually read the adverse reaction list. Let me repost it for you.



    The last three are inconclusive as being directly linked to the MMR, but they are still listed.

    Why are you discounting all of these problems as not serious?
    Are you just not reading what I write? They are so rare as to be almost unheard of. The most common of those is the serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) which is a less than one in a million incidence rate. The others are so rare that you could probably find each individual case. The other two are temporary ailments that are exceedingly rare associated with fever they are not a severe problem which is why your own link doesn't classify it as a severe problem.

    I'll repeat that there are virtually no serious problems associated with the vaccine and that society has a compelling interest in retaining herd immunity.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

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    What others, certainly not anyone vaccinated?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Have the Amish build a big prison in the Philippines, then lock them inside.

    Sorry Amish, the "good old days" you want to live in, included all kinds of nasty diseases. The civilized grownups of this world came up with vaccines and wiped them out.

    Till you a**hats showed up.

    You don't get to come back until you served your quarantine, and are vaccinated.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Deaths from measles is extremely rare... so please, hold off with the hyperbolic nonsense.
    Key facts
    Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
    In 2012, there were 122 000 measles deaths globally – about 330 deaths every day or 14 deaths every hour.
    Measles vaccination resulted in a 78% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2012 worldwide.
    In 2012, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.
    Since 2000, more than 1 billion children in high risk countries were vaccinated against the disease through mass vaccination campaigns ― about 145 million of them in 2012.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Are you just not reading what I write? They are so rare as to be almost unheard of. The most common of those is the serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) which is a less than one in a million incidence rate. The others are so rare that you could probably find each individual case. The other two are temporary ailments that are exceedingly rare associated with fever they are not a severe problem which is why your own link doesn't classify it as a severe problem.

    I'll repeat that there are virtually no serious problems associated with the vaccine and that society has a compelling interest in retaining herd immunity.
    I could ask the same of you.

    Moderate Problems
    Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses) - Are you suggesting that someone having a seizure is not a serious problem?
    Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
    Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses) - Are you suggesting that having a bleeding disorder is not a serious problem?

    Severe Problems (Very Rare)
    Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
    Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
    Deafness
    Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
    Permanent brain damage

    What exactly is a serious problem to you then? Does it square with the very rare complications that occur when someone contracts measles (which is also a rarity)?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Have the Amish build a big prison in the Philippines, then lock them inside.

    Sorry Amish, the "good old days" you want to live in, included all kinds of nasty diseases. The civilized grownups of this world came up with vaccines and wiped them out.

    Till you a**hats showed up.

    You don't get to come back until you served your quarantine, and are vaccinated.
    Once an Amish or Mennonite presents to an emergency room, and they do fairly regularly, they are under the rules of the US of A. They can be reported for neglect, isolated if they have not been vaccinated, and any number of things to protect others. As long as they stay on the farm, they can do what they want. But what most people don't seem to be aware of is that they shop at Walmart and mingle with the rest of us just like those who have had their vaccinations.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    How many of them were in the USA?

    If the point of this whole thread was how irresponsible the Amish were in going to the Phillipenes (religion apparently shouldn't be travelling, according to the OP), then I hope everyone who is railing against the Amish in this thread would advocate closing our borders to prevent any visitors from coming in, because apparently measles is common everywhere.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How many of them were in the USA?

    If the point of this whole thread was how irresponsible the Amish were in going to the Phillipenes (religion apparently shouldn't be travelling, according to the OP), then I hope everyone who is railing against the Amish in this thread would advocate closing our borders to prevent any visitors from coming in, because apparently measles is common everywhere.
    According to recent data, none, but in reality we don't know how many in the US actually had measles. The fact remains that it can be a deadly disease and that is why a vaccine was developed for it.
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