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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I disagree.

    This is Darwin at his finest.

    Want to be an idiot?

    Fine, you go right ahead.

    When Mother Nature steps in and wipes out your stupidity don't come crying to us.

    I've been vaccinated, my kids have been vaccinated, what do I care if folks want to be dumbasses?
    Not everyone can be vaccinated.

    And when an old disease (or any disease) finds a new unprotected population, it can mutate to become more virulent. The more 'food,' the more likelihood of that happening.

    And old disease in a population that has been exposed before or vaccinated remains non-lethal in order to survive by maintaining its host population.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Deaths from measles is extremely rare... so please, hold off with the hyperbolic nonsense.
    Not in the young and elderly and those with compromised immune systems...the demographics also most likely to become ill.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The communicability of AIDS and measles are quite different.
    Yes, and the effects are also different between the two. My response is related to having the government forcing a course of action on people to prevent either one. Would HIV have spread as rapidly if people with HIV were isolated? I'm wasn't advocating for that, but you have to admit that it was discussed as a course of action.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I see, so the rest of us should risk the complications that MMR vaccine can have to protect a very small number of people that have those specific issues.

    Btw, here's the CDC's list of the MMR vaccines side effects:

    Vaccines: Vac-Gen/Side Effects

    This was the part I saw:

    These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine.
    This information was taken directly from the MMR VIS
    (This information taken from MMR VIS dated 4/20/12.

    Before vaccination you can consult with a doctor. There are allergy sensitivity tests for starters. If you or child has immune system issues, there are also alternatives to some

    a) vaccines

    b) vaccine delivery methods
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not in the young and elderly and those with compromised immune systems...the demographics also most likely to become ill.
    And even they were extremely unlike to die from the measles or even suffer severe complications.

    This is measles, not ebola.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Clearly I understand what you're saying. Do you understand what I'm saying? There are risks involved for the person receiving the vaccine. Do you believe the risk/reward equation is great enough to mandate the MMR vaccine on people that don't want to take the risk involved with receiving the vaccine?
    Those risks are on an individual level and in some cases can be prevented and often remedied if they occur.

    The risks of a disease circulating thru a population opens more opportunities for that disease to:

    --mutate into something more dangerous (the opposite happens in protected/immune populations which encourage mutation into less-virulent forms)

    --go 'underground' at non-lethal levels in human reservoirs and break out periodically
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    And even they were extremely unlike to die from the measles or even suffer severe complications.

    This is measles, not ebola.
    Again, it is infants, elderly, and those with compromised immune systems that DO die. Is that a risk you'd want to take for a family member? Near death? High fevers cause permanent brain damage in people, esp. infants.

    And as I've written, there are risks in a disease circulating thru a population in greater and greater numbers.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I care that their dumbass choice endangers their children, and others. My niece isn't old enough for all the recommended vaccines yet. Unvaccinated people put her in greater danger, and that makes me a tad ornery.
    What others, certainly not anyone vaccinated?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Again, it is infants, elderly, and those with compromised immune systems that DO die. Is that a risk you'd want to take for a family member? Near death? High fevers cause permanent brain damage in people, esp. infants.
    You mean just like the risks the vaccine itself presents?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'll concede that point. 25% is very extreme. How about 1%? If it hits that level, we can start talking about forced vaccinations.
    Forced vaccinations would not fly under the constitution. Either move to someplace where they are mandatory or change the constitution. These are your options.

    BTW, I am vaccinated, so is my wife, so is our daughter.

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