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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    What would have been the implications if smallpox and polio vaccinations hadn't been mandated?
    There are several possibilities:

    A lot of people with weak immune systems would have died.
    People who were not vaccinated would have a higher chance of dieing.
    People who were not inoculated and/or got sick could have been rounded up and put in camps.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    So to keep communicable diseases from spreading, you are in favor of the government taking significant steps? Where would you have isolated all the people with HIV back in the day?
    Fantastic point.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I have no problems with forced vaccinations if someone wants to be a member of society.
    What happened to my body my rights?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    There are several possibilities:

    A lot of people with weak immune systems would have died.
    People who were not vaccinated would have a higher chance of dieing.

    People who were not inoculated and/or got sick could have been rounded up and put in camps.

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    Thankfully these scenarios weren't necessary due to mandated small-pox and polio vaccinations.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    What happened to my body my rights?
    What happened to my right that I shouldn't have to contract your infectious disease that was preventable, but you just didn't want evil government telling you what to do?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You must really hate when the government uses the impact of diseases and the number of people potentially impacted to based funding decisions. So do you rule out isolation as a means of fighting communicable diseases, or is that just pandering too?

    These are complex issues and have significant implications on many fronts.
    The communicability of AIDS and measles are quite different.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'll concede that point. 25% is very extreme. How about 1%? If it hits that level, we can start talking about forced vaccinations.
    I think the current setup of requiring vaccines for school attendance works fine.

    1% is still ridiculous and arbitrary. You haven't based that on any kind of science on viral propagation, you're just picking a number.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yes. There are virtually no serious risks associated with the MMR vaccine. The worst adverse reaction is anaphylaxis and is virtually unheard of. Society has a compelling interest to retain herd immunity and protect those not covered by the vaccine.
    I see, you didn't actually read the adverse reaction list. Let me repost it for you.

    Moderate Problems
    Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
    Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
    Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

    Severe Problems (Very Rare)
    Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
    Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
    Deafness
    Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
    Permanent brain damage
    The last three are inconclusive as being directly linked to the MMR, but they are still listed.

    Why are you discounting all of these problems as not serious?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think the current setup of requiring vaccines for school attendance works fine.

    1% is still ridiculous and arbitrary. You haven't based that on any kind of science on viral propagation, you're just picking a number.
    Then please, pick a percentage.

    The overall number of people that contract the measles each year in the US is still in the 0.0000(insert tiny number here)% range, and that's with the very few exemptions currently out there.

    At what point is it okay to ask others to risk the health of themselves and their children so that someone else can have have a lower risk of contracting a disease that they are extremely unlikely to contract in the first place?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Thankfully these scenarios weren't necessary due to mandated small-pox and polio vaccinations.
    So people who were not vaccinated did not have a higher chance of dieing? I'm confused about your point. If people are not vaccinated, then presumably the only people at risk are those who were not vaccinated. Those who were vaccinated should have been statistically safe.

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