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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Vaccination should be a requirement for access to public schools and similar services and facilities. No conscientious, religious, or similar exceptions should be allowed.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Most of the people who die from the disease are young children. Do you have any idea how many children would have to die to reach your 25% threshold?

    25%? For a contagious and potentially fatal disease? That's already an apocalypse-level outbreak, and that's when you want to start vaccinating? Jesus Christ.
    Deaths from measles is extremely rare... so please, hold off with the hyperbolic nonsense.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I care that their dumbass choice endangers their children, and others. My niece isn't old enough for all the recommended vaccines yet. Unvaccinated people put her in greater danger, and that makes me a tad ornery.
    Shouldn't your vaccinated children be safe? Isn't that the draw of forcing vaccinations in the first place?
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Deaths from measles is extremely rare... so please, hold off with the hyperbolic nonsense.
    It's still a serious illness and infecting a quarter of the population with any illness is catastrophic. The Black Plague never had anywhere near that level of infection.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post

    Members of Amish communities in Ohio traveled to the Philippines for heartfelt reasons: They were there on service projects to help less fortunate people. Unfortunately, they came home with unwelcome hitchhikers: measles viruses.

    Those travelers hadn't been vaccinated against this highly contagious disease, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday. As a result, they have triggered an outbreak of more than 130 cases, primarily among their unvaccinated friends and relatives in Amish communities

    Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High : Shots - Health News : NPR

    Seems to me a good reason for government to be involved in health care choices and for religion to stay in the church. I have never understood people not vaccinating, it is just as bad a smokers thinking second hand smoke is no big deal because they are entitled to their cigs.
    although i feel its naive not to get vaccinated, its still their CHOICE to decide.

    you have to try and convince the Amish of the harm diseases can do the their way of life if not dealt with properly. i know that's a hard sell, but we need to try harder.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So a total of 130 (out of 318million Americans) contracted the measles. No deaths. With these numbers, do you think we should start forcing vaccinations?

    I, for one, am against forced anything when we're talking about medications.
    I don't think vaccinations ought to be forced. That being said with all the people choosing not to vaccinate I plan on updating my vaccinations (been 35 years) to protect myself. I'm afraid we live in an age where people do not truly understand how bad some of these diseases can be. I feel bad for the kids who are going to catch them because their parents were ignorant. I knew a kid growing up who's mom contracted rubella while pregnant with him, horrible.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Shouldn't your vaccinated children be safe? Isn't that the draw of forcing vaccinations in the first place?
    Not all people can be vaccinated. Some children are too young, people who are allergic to a vaccine ingredient, someone immunocompromised or immunosuppressed due to transplants, chemotherapy, etc. Additionally, no vaccine is 100% effective. Some percentage of vaccinated people just don't develop the immunity, or the immunity can wear off.

    Herd immunity protects all of these people, but herd immunity fails to function unless a high enough percentage of the population is vaccinated.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's still a serious illness and infecting a quarter of the population with any illness is catastrophic. The Black Plague never had anywhere near that level of infection.
    I'll concede that point. 25% is very extreme. How about 1%? If it hits that level, we can start talking about forced vaccinations.
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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Shouldn't your vaccinated children be safe? Isn't that the draw of forcing vaccinations in the first place?
    This is a very damaging misconception. One of the primary reasons we vaccinate is to establish herd immunity to protect those who for a variety of reasons are not covered by the vaccine.

    1. There are several classes of people for whom vaccines are not an option or are temporarily not effective including people who have gone through chemotherapy, people who have severe allergies to a component of the vaccine, people with certain illnesses, some kinds of vaccines for pregnant women, very young children, etc. Herd immunity helps to protect these people.

    2. Vaccines do not have a 100% efficacy rate. Even our most effective vaccines like the two course measles schedule is 'only' 99% whereas some others go lower like rotavirus which can go down to 85%. If we broadly assume vaccines are 90-98% effective then you are still putting millions of people at risk. Once again herd immunity helps to protect those people.

    When vaccinations start to fall down to the lower 90th percentiles you seriously undermine our herd immunity and allow diseases to resurface. Choosing not to get vaccinate is selfish and puts the entire community at risk.

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    Re: Measles Hits Amish Communities, And U.S. Cases Reach 20-Year High

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I disagree.

    This is Darwin at his finest.

    Want to be an idiot?

    Fine, you go right ahead.

    When Mother Nature steps in and wipes out your stupidity don't come crying to us.

    I've been vaccinated, my kids have been vaccinated, what do I care if folks want to be dumbasses?
    Vaccination is important because there are people who are unable to get vaccinated due to having compromised immune systems. So if they get something like the measles, they are screwed. Herd vaccination helps these people as well as society more generally.
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