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    Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
    $1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed


    “The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

    Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
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    Govt health care in action. And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
    $1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed


    “The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

    Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
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    Govt health care in action. And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
    In the US, medical errors kill about 98,000 people a year.

    Preventable Medical Errors

    An estimated 18,000-26,000 adults in the US die each year because they didn't have insurance to pay for medical procedures.

    Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

    Over 26,000 annual deaths for uninsured: report | Reuters

    In fact, many of those veterans could have possibly been saved had they had either a) insurance so they didn't have to rely on the VA or b) access to affordable healthcare that was closer or able to see them sooner, again so they didn't have to rely on the overcrowded VA system.

    Plus, why only Obama? According to your article, those vets died over the last decade, not just the last 6 years. What about that other 4 years? What about the Congresses during that time, who actually fund the VA system, which was being overcrowded and forced to work with resources far below what they needed to actually care for all the vets that rely on them?

    “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    This is what happens when any gov't agency is left to run itself and, like the IRS, they have decided to award themselves with performance bonus incentives for cooking the books to show vast improvements in service. Our congress critters have allowed the executive far too much discretion in how personnel are hired, promoted and paid - basically making all federal employment into a job for life.

    As with the IRS, the VA is pretending to audit and reorganize itself, this process normally involves replacing a few that resign (actually most just retire a bit earlier than anticipated) with others of the same mindset. The problems cited (suddenly found?) are nearly always said to be "due to a lack of resources" meaning that only more tax money given to the same morons can "fix" whatever was found to be deficient.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In the US, medical errors kill about 98,000 people a year.

    Preventable Medical Errors

    An estimated 18,000-26,000 adults in the US die each year because they didn't have insurance to pay for medical procedures.

    Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

    Over 26,000 annual deaths for uninsured: report | Reuters

    In fact, many of those veterans could have possibly been saved had they had either a) insurance so they didn't have to rely on the VA or b) access to affordable healthcare that was closer or able to see them sooner, again so they didn't have to rely on the overcrowded VA system.

    Plus, why only Obama? According to your article, those vets died over the last decade, not just the last 6 years. What about that other 4 years? What about the Congresses during that time, who actually fund the VA system, which was being overcrowded and forced to work with resources far below what they needed to actually care for all the vets that rely on them?

    “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

    Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
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    I very much appreciate your insight, we spend an insane amount per vet right now-because govt keeps costs high and assures it will have little competition-once that competition is gone, they have a monopoly. And that spending does not equate to better care.

    Bush has some blame as well, but Obama ran on ending the wars and claimed he would fix the VA, and he's failed at that. Many died because of the systemic corruption of govt run healthcare.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This is what happens when any gov't agency is left to run itself and, like the IRS, they have decided to award themselves with performance bonus incentives for cooking the books to show vast improvements in service. Our congress critters have allowed the executive far too much discretion in how personnel are hired, promoted and paid - basically making all federal employment into a job for life.

    As with the IRS, the VA is pretending to audit and reorganize itself, this process normally involves replacing a few that resign (actually most just retire a bit earlier than anticipated) with others of the same mindset. The problems cited (suddenly found?) are nearly always said to be "due to a lack of resources" meaning that only more tax money given to the same morons can "fix" whatever was found to be deficient.
    We see this in public schools and emergency services as well. This is the ugly reality of what statism actually DOES, compared to its (always "good natured") intent.

    This is why we should minimize govt's role in our lives-because it rarely helps very much or even meets its promises, but often will harm people. And then there is no competition left. We can't continue down this road.


    But as for those vets, this is a real tragedy, people who relied on the govt that promised to take care of them-dying because of govt ineptitude.

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
    $1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed


    “The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

    Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


    Govt health care in action. And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
    Every time I read about this I get angry.

    When Tom turned 65, he asked at the VA if he should buy a Medicare supplement policy. The right answer was, "If you don't buy it within six months of turning 65, you will probably not be able to buy it later because, after six months, insurance companies can then exclude insuring you for pre-existing conditions. That means you won't be able to use any medical care outside of the VA without paying considerably out-of-pocket."

    Unfortunately, when he asked, "Should I buy a Medicare supplement policy?" The adviser he spoke to said, "No, you don't need it."

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I very much appreciate your insight, we spend an insane amount per vet right now-because govt keeps costs high and assures it will have little competition-once that competition is gone, they have a monopoly. And that spending does not equate to better care.

    Bush has some blame as well, but Obama ran on ending the wars and claimed he would fix the VA, and he's failed at that. Many died because of the systemic corruption of govt run healthcare.
    Many die because of non-government run healthcare as well. How many people have died because their insurance wouldn't pay for a procedure they needed? How many people die because they simply don't have health insurance at all? How many people die because the hospitals are only required to save a person's life? My brother had a medical issue last year that landed him in the hospital twice, the second time because the hospital that took care of him the first time didn't do something right and he got an internal infection. This led to a hospital visit in a different state (he had went to our mother's to recover), which required an expensive ambulance ride to a hospital over an hour and a half away from the one he initially went to. The only reason it was caught in time was because my mother and aunt are both nurses and recognized the signs. Private hospitals and medical facilities and even private insurance does the exact same things that the VA are getting accused of, except they aren't as scrutinized.

    As for the high costs, do you have any idea of how the VA medical runs? Most vets require private medical insurance because you only qualify for the VA system as full use if you have a certain qualifying percentage. Most vets who use the VA system can only use it for very specific issues, service connected disabilities. If it isn't service connected or you don't have that qualifying percent disability to entitle you to use it for anything, you have to go to a private medical institution. The government isn't keeping insurance premiums and deductibles high. That would be the insurance companies and the cost of private medical practice doing that.
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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Every time I read about this I get angry.

    When Tom turned 65, he asked at the VA if he should buy a Medicare supplement policy. The right answer was, "If you don't buy it within six months of turning 65, you will probably not be able to buy it later because, after six months, insurance companies can then exclude insuring you for pre-existing conditions. That means you won't be able to use any medical care outside of the VA without paying considerably out-of-pocket."

    Unfortunately, when he asked, "Should I buy a Medicare supplement policy?" The adviser he spoke to said, "No, you don't need it."
    Isnt it tragic?

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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Look, Congress is as much to blame as anyone. Both houses. I am a disabled vet. I used to use the Phoenix VA. It sucks like a bucket of ticks. Many vets in Arizona knew that before the fit hit the shan. I complained to my congressional representatives and I know other vets who have as well. In frustration, before the debacle went public I finally moved my VA service to Tucson. Sure it's a 2 hour drive, but you actually get appointments.

    Congress knew long before a physician blew the whistle and Congress - both parties - did jack ****. Somebody, anybody, show me where Congress addressed the issue and took action before the lid blew off. Someone show me where Congress approached the President, where Shinseki approached the President and informed him of what was happening.

    I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?










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    Re: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Many die because of non-government run healthcare as well. How many people have died because their insurance wouldn't pay for a procedure they needed? How many people die because they simply don't have health insurance at all? How many people die because the hospitals are only required to save a person's life? My brother had a medical issue last year that landed him in the hospital twice, the second time because the hospital that took care of him the first time didn't do something right and he got an internal infection. This led to a hospital visit in a different state (he had went to our mother's to recover), which required an expensive ambulance ride to a hospital over an hour and a half away from the one he initially went to. The only reason it was caught in time was because my mother and aunt are both nurses and recognized the signs. Private hospitals and medical facilities and even private insurance does the exact same things that the VA are getting accused of, except they aren't as scrutinized.

    As for the high costs, do you have any idea of how the VA medical runs? Most vets require private medical insurance because you only qualify for the VA system as full use if you have a certain qualifying percentage. Most vets who use the VA system can only use it for very specific issues, service connected disabilities. If it isn't service connected or you don't have that qualifying percent disability to entitle you to use it for anything, you have to go to a private medical institution. The government isn't keeping insurance premiums and deductibles high. That would be the insurance companies and the cost of private medical practice doing that.
    I practice medicine and am well aware of the problems involved. But this is evidence that govt run healthcare has quite a negative impact, the same govt run healthcare that our forums socialists seem to want to push us toward.

    At that point-there wont be competition or a desire to please the customer (tax payer) and since the govt can run in the red and privates cant-where are you going to go at that point? Nowhere, because they dont care and already got what they want.

    I could share my patients horror stories with you-but I doubt they'd persuade you of anything.

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