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Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
$1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed

“The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
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Govt health care in action. :doh And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
 
US Conservative said:
Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
$1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed

“The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


Govt health care in action. :doh And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
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In the US, medical errors kill about 98,000 people a year.

Preventable Medical Errors

An estimated 18,000-26,000 adults in the US die each year because they didn't have insurance to pay for medical procedures.

Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

Over 26,000 annual deaths for uninsured: report | Reuters

In fact, many of those veterans could have possibly been saved had they had either a) insurance so they didn't have to rely on the VA or b) access to affordable healthcare that was closer or able to see them sooner, again so they didn't have to rely on the overcrowded VA system.

Plus, why only Obama? According to your article, those vets died over the last decade, not just the last 6 years. What about that other 4 years? What about the Congresses during that time, who actually fund the VA system, which was being overcrowded and forced to work with resources far below what they needed to actually care for all the vets that rely on them?

“Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
 
This is what happens when any gov't agency is left to run itself and, like the IRS, they have decided to award themselves with performance bonus incentives for cooking the books to show vast improvements in service. Our congress critters have allowed the executive far too much discretion in how personnel are hired, promoted and paid - basically making all federal employment into a job for life.

As with the IRS, the VA is pretending to audit and reorganize itself, this process normally involves replacing a few that resign (actually most just retire a bit earlier than anticipated) with others of the same mindset. The problems cited (suddenly found?) are nearly always said to be "due to a lack of resources" meaning that only more tax money given to the same morons can "fix" whatever was found to be deficient.
 
roguenuke said:
In the US, medical errors kill about 98,000 people a year.

Preventable Medical Errors

An estimated 18,000-26,000 adults in the US die each year because they didn't have insurance to pay for medical procedures.

Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

Over 26,000 annual deaths for uninsured: report | Reuters

In fact, many of those veterans could have possibly been saved had they had either a) insurance so they didn't have to rely on the VA or b) access to affordable healthcare that was closer or able to see them sooner, again so they didn't have to rely on the overcrowded VA system.

Plus, why only Obama? According to your article, those vets died over the last decade, not just the last 6 years. What about that other 4 years? What about the Congresses during that time, who actually fund the VA system, which was being overcrowded and forced to work with resources far below what they needed to actually care for all the vets that rely on them?

“Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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I very much appreciate your insight, we spend an insane amount per vet right now-because govt keeps costs high and assures it will have little competition-once that competition is gone, they have a monopoly. And that spending does not equate to better care.

Bush has some blame as well, but Obama ran on ending the wars and claimed he would fix the VA, and he's failed at that. Many died because of the systemic corruption of govt run healthcare.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
This is what happens when any gov't agency is left to run itself and, like the IRS, they have decided to award themselves with performance bonus incentives for cooking the books to show vast improvements in service. Our congress critters have allowed the executive far too much discretion in how personnel are hired, promoted and paid - basically making all federal employment into a job for life.

As with the IRS, the VA is pretending to audit and reorganize itself, this process normally involves replacing a few that resign (actually most just retire a bit earlier than anticipated) with others of the same mindset. The problems cited (suddenly found?) are nearly always said to be "due to a lack of resources" meaning that only more tax money given to the same morons can "fix" whatever was found to be deficient.
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We see this in public schools and emergency services as well. This is the ugly reality of what statism actually DOES, compared to its (always "good natured") intent.

This is why we should minimize govt's role in our lives-because it rarely helps very much or even meets its promises, but often will harm people. And then there is no competition left. We can't continue down this road.


But as for those vets, this is a real tragedy, people who relied on the govt that promised to take care of them-dying because of govt ineptitude.
 
US Conservative said:
Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says
$1B in malpractice settlements as horror stories revealed

“The problems at the VA are worse than anyone imagined,” Mr. Coburn said. “Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


Govt health care in action. :doh And they hire criminals as well. Our vets dont deserve this, and Obama has some explaining to do.
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Every time I read about this I get angry.

When Tom turned 65, he asked at the VA if he should buy a Medicare supplement policy. The right answer was, "If you don't buy it within six months of turning 65, you will probably not be able to buy it later because, after six months, insurance companies can then exclude insuring you for pre-existing conditions. That means you won't be able to use any medical care outside of the VA without paying considerably out-of-pocket."

Unfortunately, when he asked, "Should I buy a Medicare supplement policy?" The adviser he spoke to said, "No, you don't need it."
 
US Conservative said:
I very much appreciate your insight, we spend an insane amount per vet right now-because govt keeps costs high and assures it will have little competition-once that competition is gone, they have a monopoly. And that spending does not equate to better care.

Bush has some blame as well, but Obama ran on ending the wars and claimed he would fix the VA, and he's failed at that. Many died because of the systemic corruption of govt run healthcare.
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Many die because of non-government run healthcare as well. How many people have died because their insurance wouldn't pay for a procedure they needed? How many people die because they simply don't have health insurance at all? How many people die because the hospitals are only required to save a person's life? My brother had a medical issue last year that landed him in the hospital twice, the second time because the hospital that took care of him the first time didn't do something right and he got an internal infection. This led to a hospital visit in a different state (he had went to our mother's to recover), which required an expensive ambulance ride to a hospital over an hour and a half away from the one he initially went to. The only reason it was caught in time was because my mother and aunt are both nurses and recognized the signs. Private hospitals and medical facilities and even private insurance does the exact same things that the VA are getting accused of, except they aren't as scrutinized.

As for the high costs, do you have any idea of how the VA medical runs? Most vets require private medical insurance because you only qualify for the VA system as full use if you have a certain qualifying percentage. Most vets who use the VA system can only use it for very specific issues, service connected disabilities. If it isn't service connected or you don't have that qualifying percent disability to entitle you to use it for anything, you have to go to a private medical institution. The government isn't keeping insurance premiums and deductibles high. That would be the insurance companies and the cost of private medical practice doing that.
 
MaggieD said:
Every time I read about this I get angry.

When Tom turned 65, he asked at the VA if he should buy a Medicare supplement policy. The right answer was, "If you don't buy it within six months of turning 65, you will probably not be able to buy it later because, after six months, insurance companies can then exclude insuring you for pre-existing conditions. That means you won't be able to use any medical care outside of the VA without paying considerably out-of-pocket."

Unfortunately, when he asked, "Should I buy a Medicare supplement policy?" The adviser he spoke to said, "No, you don't need it."
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Isnt it tragic?
 
Look, Congress is as much to blame as anyone. Both houses. I am a disabled vet. I used to use the Phoenix VA. It sucks like a bucket of ticks. Many vets in Arizona knew that before the fit hit the shan. I complained to my congressional representatives and I know other vets who have as well. In frustration, before the debacle went public I finally moved my VA service to Tucson. Sure it's a 2 hour drive, but you actually get appointments.

Congress knew long before a physician blew the whistle and Congress - both parties - did jack ****. Somebody, anybody, show me where Congress addressed the issue and took action before the lid blew off. Someone show me where Congress approached the President, where Shinseki approached the President and informed him of what was happening.

I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?
 
roguenuke said:
Many die because of non-government run healthcare as well. How many people have died because their insurance wouldn't pay for a procedure they needed? How many people die because they simply don't have health insurance at all? How many people die because the hospitals are only required to save a person's life? My brother had a medical issue last year that landed him in the hospital twice, the second time because the hospital that took care of him the first time didn't do something right and he got an internal infection. This led to a hospital visit in a different state (he had went to our mother's to recover), which required an expensive ambulance ride to a hospital over an hour and a half away from the one he initially went to. The only reason it was caught in time was because my mother and aunt are both nurses and recognized the signs. Private hospitals and medical facilities and even private insurance does the exact same things that the VA are getting accused of, except they aren't as scrutinized.

As for the high costs, do you have any idea of how the VA medical runs? Most vets require private medical insurance because you only qualify for the VA system as full use if you have a certain qualifying percentage. Most vets who use the VA system can only use it for very specific issues, service connected disabilities. If it isn't service connected or you don't have that qualifying percent disability to entitle you to use it for anything, you have to go to a private medical institution. The government isn't keeping insurance premiums and deductibles high. That would be the insurance companies and the cost of private medical practice doing that.
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I practice medicine and am well aware of the problems involved. But this is evidence that govt run healthcare has quite a negative impact, the same govt run healthcare that our forums socialists seem to want to push us toward.

At that point-there wont be competition or a desire to please the customer (tax payer) and since the govt can run in the red and privates cant-where are you going to go at that point? Nowhere, because they dont care and already got what they want.

I could share my patients horror stories with you-but I doubt they'd persuade you of anything.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Look, Congress is as much to blame as anyone. Both houses. I am a disabled vet. I used to use the Phoenix VA. It sucks like a bucket of ticks. Many vets in Arizona knew that before the fit hit the shan. I complained to my congressional representatives and I know other vets who have as well. In frustration, before the debacle went public I finally moved my VA service to Tucson. Sure it's a 2 hour drive, but you actually get appointments.

Congress knew long before a physician blew the whistle and Congress - both parties - did jack ****. Somebody, anybody, show me where Congress addressed the issue and took action before the lid blew off. Someone show me where Congress approached the President, where Shinseki approached the President and informed him of what was happening.

I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?
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Im sorry for your experience. But Obama is the head of the 4th largest govt department, as he is with the rest of his cabinet.
He ran on fixing this, he ignored recommendations, and here we are 6 years in and vets are dying.

Its not ok, and its too important to ignore.
 
US Conservative said:
Im sorry for your experience. But Obama is the head of the 4th largest govt department, as he is with the rest of his cabinet.
He ran on fixing this, he ignored recommendations, and here we are 6 years in and vets are dying.

Its not ok, and its too important to ignore.
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Quoting the best source I know: "I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?"
 
US Conservative said:
I practice medicine and am well aware of the problems involved. But this is evidence that govt run healthcare has quite a negative impact, the same govt run healthcare that our forums socialists seem to want to push us toward.

At that point-there wont be competition or a desire to please the customer (tax payer) and since the govt can run in the red and privates cant-where are you going to go at that point? Nowhere, because they dont care and already got what they want.

I could share my patients horror stories with you-but I doubt they'd persuade you of anything.
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No it isn't. It is something that happens due to human nature. It has nothing to do with the system being run by the government.

There are plenty of patient horror stories to go around, in both private healthcare and the VA system. The VA's biggest problems though are underfunding and not enough resources (such as doctors, nurses, facilities) as are needed for the amount of vets we have that can use those services. When you place unreasonable expectations on people they tend to do things that they shouldn't do to meet or make it appear that they have met those expectations. Add into that the fact that we do have people who are lazy in both private and public jobs that are meant to perform audits, and you end up with these results. It doesn't mean that you don't hold people responsible for their actions (or lack of actions). But you don't scrap the whole system or place blame on people who had little to nothing to do with it.

So far, all I've seen from you is complaining and blame. No suggestion on how to fix the system besides "leave it to the private practice" or "get the government out of it". Well then where exactly are these vets supposed to go when they can't afford private medicine? Who is going to pay for it? The government, like they are currently doing. In fact, there proposed fix is to allow vets to use private medical facilities that they will pay for if it takes over a certain amount of time for an appointment. We wouldn't need such a deal if we simply had single-payer because they could use any healthcare facility near them without needing to wait for them to be approved. Or we could give all vets TriCare at either reduced or no cost to cover these issues and it can be used all over the country. It would still be government run healthcare though.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Quoting the best source I know: "I did not vote for Obama, but blaming Obama for the VA debacle is partisan hackery. Blame the VA, then blame both houses and both parties, then blame the American people. Where are all those yellow ribbon sumbitches now?"
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Obama said he was going to clean it up. Did that happen?

While I generally loathe that so many people have no idea whats going on and yes govt reflects us. I think that most people want vets to be taken care of, but there was much that wasn't known until the press started digging.
 
roguenuke said:
No it isn't. It is something that happens due to human nature. It has nothing to do with the system being run by the government.

There are plenty of patient horror stories to go around, in both private healthcare and the VA system. The VA's biggest problems though are underfunding and not enough resources (such as doctors, nurses, facilities) as are needed for the amount of vets we have that can use those services. When you place unreasonable expectations on people they tend to do things that they shouldn't do to meet or make it appear that they have met those expectations. Add into that the fact that we do have people who are lazy in both private and public jobs that are meant to perform audits, and you end up with these results. It doesn't mean that you don't hold people responsible for their actions (or lack of actions). But you don't scrap the whole system or place blame on people who had little to nothing to do with it.

So far, all I've seen from you is complaining and blame. No suggestion on how to fix the system besides "leave it to the private practice" or "get the government out of it". Well then where exactly are these vets supposed to go when they can't afford private medicine? Who is going to pay for it? The government, like they are currently doing. In fact, there proposed fix is to allow vets to use private medical facilities that they will pay for if it takes over a certain amount of time for an appointment. We wouldn't need such a deal if we simply had single-payer because they could use any healthcare facility near them without needing to wait for them to be approved. Or we could give all vets TriCare at either reduced or no cost to cover these issues and it can be used all over the country. It would still be government run healthcare though.
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The left has never recognized human nature, its ironic but unsurprising that you would not assign blame where it lies. As if the govt is just some disinterested spectator incapable of being fixed that merely stumbled upon this disaster.

This is what single payer would be if implemented. The ACA and the these deaths are evidence of what would be to come. When you remove the initiative and incentive to keep people satisfied with their healthcare, you are leaving the consumer worse off.

I have plenty of ideas regarding this issue, but the left has dismissed them out of hand (as with healthcare costs outside the VA).
 
US Conservative said:
The left has never recognized human nature, its ironic but unsurprising that you would not assign blame where it lies. As if the govt is just some disinterested spectator incapable of being fixed that merely stumbled upon this disaster.

This is what single payer would be if implemented. The ACA and the these deaths are evidence of what would be to come. When you remove the initiative and incentive to keep people satisfied with their healthcare, you are leaving the consumer worse off.

I have plenty of ideas regarding this issue, but the left has dismissed them out of hand (as with healthcare costs outside the VA).
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The government isn't what needs fixing in this particular case. The way the system works for the given circumstances is what needs to be fixed. It is capable of being fixed, but both sides are too busy fighting to work towards it. They both want to place partisan-based blame, just as you are doing.

This is nothing like single payer healthcare because there are alternatives to the VA system available for most vets, including other government insurances, employee insurance (or it should be), Medicare, and even other private charity healthcare.

I don't agree with the ACA at all. But that too is not single payer healthcare. That is not UHC/NHS. It is Universally mandated Health Insurance, something that the right pushed for back in the 80s and even 90s.
 
roguenuke said:
In the US, medical errors kill about 98,000 people a year.

Preventable Medical Errors

An estimated 18,000-26,000 adults in the US die each year because they didn't have insurance to pay for medical procedures.

Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

Over 26,000 annual deaths for uninsured: report | Reuters

In fact, many of those veterans could have possibly been saved had they had either a) insurance so they didn't have to rely on the VA or b) access to affordable healthcare that was closer or able to see them sooner, again so they didn't have to rely on the overcrowded VA system.

Plus, why only Obama? According to your article, those vets died over the last decade, not just the last 6 years. What about that other 4 years? What about the Congresses during that time, who actually fund the VA system, which was being overcrowded and forced to work with resources far below what they needed to actually care for all the vets that rely on them?

“Over the past decade, more than 1,000 veterans may have died as a result of VA’s misconduct and the VA has paid out nearly $1 billion to veterans and their families for its medical malpractice.”

Read more: Poor care at VA hospitals cost 1,000 veterans their lives, report says - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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The topic is the VA not other facilities.

Come on, you are saying vets should buy private insurance when they already are supposed to be covered. Sure, were all 1%ers and just have all this extra money to throw around, right? We have already paid a heavy price for VA care, why should we be required to pay more instead of insisting on what we already earned be made to improve the quality?

VA only covers service related injuries for free unless you have a high enough disability rating, then you become a priority patient and all care is free. Even without insurance, sure they will see you just like a regular hospital and send a bill which they probably right off if you are unable to pay, like other facilities.

Some of us also have Tri-Care for life. Big deal. The copays on it keep going up as well as the annual limit on copays. Very costly when we were promised free healthcare for ourselves and our dependents after twenty years of service.

Obama is taking a large chunk of the blame because he is the current HNIC but you are correct that he shouldn't take all the blame only for what was done on his watch.
 
DVSentinel said:
The topic is the VA not other facilities.

Come on, you are saying vets should buy private insurance when they already are supposed to be covered. Sure, were all 1%ers and just have all this extra money to throw around, right? We have already paid a heavy price for VA care, why should we be required to pay more instead of insisting on what we already earned be made to improve the quality?

VA only covers service related injuries for free unless you have a high enough disability rating, then you become a priority patient and all care is free. Even without insurance, sure they will see you just like a regular hospital and send a bill which they probably right off if you are unable to pay, like other facilities.

Some of us also have Tri-Care for life. Big deal. The copays on it keep going up as well as the annual limit on copays. Very costly when we were promised free healthcare for ourselves and our dependents after twenty years of service.

Obama is taking a large chunk of the blame because he is the current HNIC but you are correct that he shouldn't take all the blame only for what was done on his watch.
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Most vets, like myself, have to buy extra insurance because we are not covered under the VA and didn't stay active for 20 years to qualify for TriCare for Life. As I've been saying, most vets can only use the VA system for service-related disabilities, which most receive very little recognition of. For instance, I'm going in today for an MRI on my knee. I will be using TriCare Reserve, not the VA because I didn't find out about the problem til after I've been out for 6 years and it could be difficult and take quite some time to convince the VA that it was service connected. Very few have a high enough rating to qualify for the VA to cover everything.

I am for a UHC which would mean that no vet would have to worry about high premiums or deductibles/copays or massive waiting times for care. They would all be covered. At the very least, I am for treating all vets better, not just those who spent 20 years in. Perhaps a combination years in/income adjusted system for all vets. But that doesn't change where the problems lie in the current system, and it does not prove in any way that the government cannot handle a medical system. It only shows that some in government service make poor choices when it comes to dealing with pressure. And that our Congress critters should be actually listening to the vets, looking into what is really going on in these situations, and stop giving into media or public pressure to fix something quickly rather than in a way that will work. You cannot fix a problem by simply making demands, particularly unreasonable demands, on the workers and expect them not to cut corners in a way that is going to cause more serious problems. And that is what was done.
 
roguenuke said:
Most vets, like myself, have to buy extra insurance because we are not covered under the VA and didn't stay active for 20 years to qualify for TriCare for Life. As I've been saying, most vets can only use the VA system for service-related disabilities, which most receive very little recognition of. For instance, I'm going in today for an MRI on my knee. I will be using TriCare Reserve, not the VA because I didn't find out about the problem til after I've been out for 6 years and it could be difficult and take quite some time to convince the VA that it was service connected. Very few have a high enough rating to qualify for the VA to cover everything.

I am for a UHC which would mean that no vet would have to worry about high premiums or deductibles/copays or massive waiting times for care. They would all be covered. At the very least, I am for treating all vets better, not just those who spent 20 years in. Perhaps a combination years in/income adjusted system for all vets. But that doesn't change where the problems lie in the current system, and it does not prove in any way that the government cannot handle a medical system. It only shows that some in government service make poor choices when it comes to dealing with pressure. And that our Congress critters should be actually listening to the vets, looking into what is really going on in these situations, and stop giving into media or public pressure to fix something quickly rather than in a way that will work. You cannot fix a problem by simply making demands, particularly unreasonable demands, on the workers and expect them not to cut corners in a way that is going to cause more serious problems. And that is what was done.
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UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
 
DVSentinel said:
UHC is nothing but more socialist BS. Giving out to the lazy what others struggled hard and worked for. Thats BS, if someone doesn't work for and earn it for themselves, they shouldn't be given it. That goes for housing, food, water and healthcare. It is illogical to waste limited resources on those who only contribute negatively to society and who are totally worthless as individuals.
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Except we already spend more on those "lazy" than any other country with a UHC does per person because we will never turn people away that are dying but can't paying.
 
What has the Obama Administration done about all this? NOTHING!!!!
 
American said:
What has the Obama Administration done about all this? NOTHING!!!!
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Congressmen and Senators knew about it probably before Obama, my REPUBLICAN congressional people knew. What did Congress do about it? They have the power. Show me where Congress acted prior to the whistleblower. Show me where Congress went to Obama about it.

I used to use the Phoenix VA. Vets in Arizona have told their Congress people about it long before the story broke. I know this. Show me how it's all Obama's fault. Show me how Congress - both parties - are less guilty.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I am not a partisan hack. Blaming it on the Obama Administration does jack to solve the issue when the issue is much greater. Your chicken little approach is harmful to veterans, not helpful.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Congressmen and Senators knew about it probably before Obama, my REPUBLICAN congressional people knew. What did Congress do about it? They have the power. Show me where Congress acted prior to the whistleblower. Show me where Congress went to Obama about it.

I used to use the Phoenix VA. Vets in Arizona have told their Congress people about it long before the story broke. I know this. Show me how it's all Obama's fault. Show me how Congress - both parties - are less guilty.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I am not a partisan hack. Blaming it on the Obama Administration does jack to solve the issue when the issue is much greater. Your chicken little approach is harmful to veterans, not helpful.
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He's been President for six years, is there any reason he shouldn't have done something by now. It's irrelevant what was done or not done before, because everything was Bush's fault before, right? What has the Messiah done to fix all the "evil" of the previous administrations? Six years, what has HE done?
 
American said:
He's been President for six years, is there any reason he shouldn't have done something by now. It's irrelevant what was done or not done before, because everything was Bush's fault before, right? What has the Messiah done to fix all the "evil" of the previous administrations? Six years, what has HE done?
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No doubt you were every bit as outraged in the past. Honestly, to suggest this is Obama's fault is beyond silly. I'm quite sure you'll be leading the cheers for him as this gets fixed since the repairs will start on his watch.
 
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